Oct. 25, 2025

Carrying Wheel Guns In A Semi-Auto World

Carrying Wheel Guns In A Semi-Auto World

Send us a text Capacity steals the spotlight, but at real defensive distances it’s access, control, and hits that decide outcomes. We sat down with trainer and gunsmith Brian Eastridge to unpack why a well-set-up revolver can still be the smartest choice for concealed carry and home defense. From pocket-carried snubs that deliver a sub-second covered draw to three-inch “gunfighter” barrels with full-length ejector rods, Brian explains how wheel guns solve everyday concealment and deployment p...

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Capacity steals the spotlight, but at real defensive distances it’s access, control, and hits that decide outcomes. We sat down with trainer and gunsmith Brian Eastridge to unpack why a well-set-up revolver can still be the smartest choice for concealed carry and home defense. From pocket-carried snubs that deliver a sub-second covered draw to three-inch “gunfighter” barrels with full-length ejector rods, Brian explains how wheel guns solve everyday concealment and deployment problems autos often complicate.

We dig into caliber and recoil management with a clear recommendation: .38 Special for small and medium frames. You’ll hear why standard-pressure loads in sub-3-inch barrels outperform “hotter” options, how wadcutters shine in snubs, and why .357 Magnum in light revolvers punishes more than it pays. We also get practical about fit and ergonomics, comparing J, K, L, and N frames and highlighting the grip modularity that lets revolvers truly change trigger reach and control. On the setup front, Brian makes a strong case for double-action-only carry guns, dehorned or enclosed hammers, and keeping triggers honest to avoid snags, negligent discharges, and legal headaches.

Training takes center stage with proven drills: Justin Dial’s Five-Yard Roundup, skip-loading for a smooth trigger roll, and the Super Snubby Test on a B8 to balance speed and precision. We talk pocket holsters, covered low ready, and why the most reliable reload might be a second revolver when stakes are high and time is short. Throughout, the message stays simple and serious: accuracy ends fights. If your wardrobe, environment, or comfort level demands deep concealment with fast, discreet access, a thoughtfully chosen .38 Special revolver may be the most modern move you can make.

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00:00 - Welcome And Guest Introduction

01:03 - Brian’s Background And Projects

05:18 - Are Revolvers Still Viable For CCW

09:05 - Industry Misconceptions And Sales Pitfalls

12:34 - Frame Sizes, Fit, And Grip Options

16:24 - Caliber Choices And .38 Special Advice

19:36 - Barrel Lengths, Ejector Rods, And Snubs

23:58 - Pocket Carry And Covered Low Ready

28:10 - Capacity, Reloads, And Carrying Two

32:59 - Hammerless And DAO For Defense

38:38 - Triggers, Liability, And Safe Setup

42:53 - Single Action Myths And Exceptions

46:50 - Drills For Accuracy And Control

52:18 - Super Snubby Test And Standards

55:58 - Accuracy Over Speed And Target Zones

59:48 - How To Reach Brian And Resources

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Hi, welcome to the Armed Guardian Podcast, season one, episode four.

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Today, David and I will be talking with Brian Eastridge, the Eastridge Training and Consultant LLC.

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Our topic for today's podcast will be revolvers.

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Are they still a valid conceal theory weapon for conceal theory in the rise of semi-automatics?

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So sit back, enjoy, and listen to today's podcast, and here we go.

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Hi, welcome to the Armed Guardian Podcast.

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I'm your host, Brian, and uh we have David here.

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And we've got a guest today that uh a topic that some people say is a little outdated for concealed carriers with the uh advent of semi-automatics.

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Uh Brian Eastridge, he's here to join us and talk to us about revolvers and are they still valid for the concealed carrier?

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How are you doing, Brian?

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Doing great.

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Thanks.

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Thanks for having me on.

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Thanks for joining us.

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Uh so who is Brian Eastridge and what do you do?

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Well, I wear a number of hats.

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Um let's see.

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I guess I the main gig I have is uh I'm co-owner of EDC Belt Company.

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So we make a concealed carry belt.

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It's kind of purpose-built for the armed citizen.

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Uh, you know, it's it's reinforced where it needs to be and it's uh nice and comfy where it uh should be.

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So that was a project of mine that was born out of years of wearing a Sam Brown duty belt and chronic sciatica and all those things.

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And I figured out uh through after a vacation that it really wasn't my duty belt that was causing all those problems.

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It was uh it was a uh particular concealed carry belt.

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So uh I started that in 2019.

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Uh sell them through our website, through uh langdontactical.com.

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Ernest and Amy sell them, and then uh Concealed Carry Inc.

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sells them as well.

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So yeah, that's kind of my main gig.

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And then I have another LLC, it's Eastridge Training and Consulting.

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I do some firearms industry consulting at times.

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Uh do some open enrollment training, very little anymore.

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I just don't have time.

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Uh I do enjoy it, but uh the last couple years I've I've just haven't had the time to do it.

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So I mainly teach at like conference type stuff, and then I'll do one or two open enrollments a year, but teaching at like the Guardian Nation conference, uh, and then the Pat Rogers Memorial Revolver Roundup at Gunsight.

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I teach there every year, and yeah, that's a fun one if you get a chance.

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I think there's like five or six spots left for that this year.

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Wow and it's it's in November, it's the weekend before Thanksgiving, and uh it's a great hang.

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And it's just learn a lot of revolver history and talk to some armed professionals that have carried them and how they train with them that whole nine yards.

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And then I have the off-duty on-duty podcast, and uh this time of year that one kind of slows down because this is kind of the busy season through about December.

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So I try to get one out a month.

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Sometimes I get one out every two weeks.

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Um a lot of good guests on there.

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Everybody from Rob Latham to Haney McMood to Gerald Bulky's been on a bunch, and Eric Gellhouse, some other guys that um uh Lee Weams has been on a couple of times, our mutual buddy.

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And that's that's kind of it.

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Now that I've retired from law enforcement, I seem to be busier than I ever was when I was a cop.

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So yeah, always works out like that.

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Everybody told me that, and I was like, nah, I'm gonna work like two, three days a week, and then man, my phone started ringing and it hadn't stopped.

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So yeah, I I like your podcast, uh, on duty, off-duty, because you incorporate the view from both worlds, uh, the law enforcement perspective and then the concealed carrier's perspective.

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So uh I really like that, and I think I got David uh attached uh in love with it also, uh recommended it to him and uh uh a good one.

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Uh like like what you do on that.

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Well, it was when that was hashed, you know, the producers and I talked about it, and they said, we want you to do the cop and concealed carrier perspective.

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And I said, I can sum that up in like two sentences, like you know, citizens aren't under any obligation to put handcuffs on anybody.

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Right.

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Ta-da, done, you know, and it's like, no, come on.

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But anyway, that was and I that's see, that's been going I was two years in July.

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So remember it was two or three, so yeah, two years ago, July.

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So all right.

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Well, we'll go ahead and jump into some of our topic questions that we have here.

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Um one thing I get uh people coming to a lot of the classes that I teach is a lot of people bring for the favorite is the semi-automatic pistol.

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I get one of the favorite multiple revolver and things like that.

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Um I think revolvers still have a valid primary uh concern for the concealed carrier as a primary weapon to carry.

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And there are some issues that with the revolver that you know gender and age and stuff like that, I know play a part in, but uh uh are are revolvers still valid for CCW in the world of semi-automatics.

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Under some circumstances, I think they're they kind of pay an advantage.

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Right.

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Um but I I think they're a little more I won't say neat, I don't want to say niche, but they they kind of fit two things.

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For carrying them every day, they're kind of niche.

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For a fire extinguisher at home, yeah, they fit they fit that role so well.

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Right.

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Uh, and that's that's really where I think they they live until you get to a certain point in training and understanding of methodologies that that that you can really take an advantage from them.

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Right.

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Yeah, I know one of the things that I see and with the industry, uh, I'll see a lot of the elderly that will come to classes and the gun shops or pawn shops, you know.

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Hey, you you're just looking for something to throw in a purse or a knife stand and a revolver simply just press the trigger or pull the trigger, as they usually say.

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But uh people come that uh have a problem with that 12-pound trigger press on the double action, and you don't really want them to carry or present it in a single action mode unless you know they really know what to do and because of the potential for negative discharge.

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So that's one of my concerns with the I don't want to cover the gun industry as a whole, but you know, for the ones that are looking to kind of push off stuff that don't really invest the time into getting the gun to the carrier for the person that's wanting to buy it.

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Um but I've also had some issues with some of the I won't name the brand, but uh some of the semi-autos that have group safety for um elderly people that were they just ripped the gun hard enough to deactivate the safety fire semi-automatic.

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So it's kind of a I think it's a double-edged sword, but um I think you can feel uh revolvers are a good option.

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Uh definitely for a uh backup if you decide you want to carry a backup, uh, and then for the home defense, I think that it really fits in well with them.

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Yeah, and I I think the industry as a whole, there are very few um like point of sale.

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I the you go above that to distributor level, they they're not dealing with the customer.

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You go above that to the the the manufacturers, they have a pretty good understanding of like what makes revolvers great.

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Um unfortunately, revolvers were born out of a time when skilled labor was cheap and engineering was expensive, and now that role has kind of flipped.

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Um, where you know the engineering side of the house, you know, solid works, man.

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That that's the program everybody's using to design stuff nowadays, and it's a lot more attainable than it was in 1909 and prior.

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Right.

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Uh, but but skilled labor in that era was cheap, you know.

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I I have a real love for pre-1939 revolvers, and they're works of art, but somebody was making uh you know a dollar an hour to make to build those, you know, or 50 cents an hour.

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Right, those days are gone.

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Uh so but your end gun shop salespeople don't really have a good idea uh because let's face it, the people that are working those roles, unless it's you know a part-time gig or you know, somebody that's older, retired, wants a job, they're typically not very high-paying jobs, and they're typically staffed by people that grew up with the Glock 19.

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Right.

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And and that's not a that's not a knock at that that generation or that that uh end user.

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And there are some exceptions to that.

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I mean, there are exceptions to everything.

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Uh, but a lot of you know, a lot of the younger generation now you hand them a revolver and they look at it like a Rubik's Cube.

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Um and I'm actually kind of in the young category for being somebody that that has a pretty deep understanding of revolvers.

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Um so that's that's kind of my two cents as to why that those wires get crossed up.

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And and I've had I've had some really highly respected instructors that are older than me that you know, I say, Hey, hey, you got any revolvers?

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Do you want to have a wheel gun day?

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I don't I don't really understand revolvers, never shot them.

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Right, you know, and these are people in their 50s, and it's like, oh man, and unless you were in law enforcement, yeah, the semi-auto pistol, I mean, even the military adopted it back in the the teens.

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So so it's uh the LE world was slow to get on the auto bus, but you know, that's been like the agency I worked for transitioned to autos in 1990, you know.

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1990 was well quite a long time ago now.

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Yeah.

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So thirty thirty some years ago.

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Yeah.

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And something too, people you know, understanding revolvers are the different frame sizes, you know, like the J frame, the L frame, the N frame, and stuff, and just you know, what's the difference in them?

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Because you know, someone like me with the or a person with a large hand, a J frame revolver is can be a little bit of a challenge to handle uh compared to the N-frame and K and uh L frame models.

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Yeah, but the benefit you have is a wide variety of stock options, right?

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I'm not talking about SP 500.

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I'm like the actual stocks on the gun, right?

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The grips.

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Um you know, you can tailor a revolver way, way more than you can tailor a semi-auto.

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A semi-auto, you know, you're you've got the options of burn it with a soldering iron or slap tape on it, right?

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Yeah.

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Um some of the newer modern semi-autos, they like the HK VP9 has a lot of modularity to it, but even that degree of modularity doesn't really change the reach to the trigger, which is the critical one.

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Right.

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Um and J-frames, to me, they fit they fit a really specific role, and uh and it's one that most people in training will not explore because uh let's face it, there's only maybe 10, 15,000 people in the whole United States that quote go take training above you know something very basic.

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So David, you want to ask the next question?

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Yes, sir.

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Can you all hear me all right?

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Yeah.

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All right, Brian.

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So with all the many different calibers out there for revolvers, um, I know a lot of people are using them now for hunting and many different different areas of of the firearms world.

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Which one would you recommend?

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Or what do you like, or maybe a few of them?

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Well, um, for small and medium frame revolvers, if you're gonna buy a revolver today, just buy a 38 special.

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Um, there's no need to shoot 357 Magnum unless you're hunting bears or something, you know.

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I mean, it 357 is just punishing.

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Uh 38 special, you can practice with a lighter downloaded cartridge.

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You can carry a plus P.

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But if you're gonna get a barrel length below uh like three inches, just get standard velocity 38 special.

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There's really no benefit going anything hotter than that if you're going below three inch barrels.

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But 38 to me is probably the most versatile that's out there, and that's mainly because you have a wide variety.

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You can go a very light bullet very fast with very low recoil, or you can go a medium bullet with medium recoil, or you can go a really heavy bullet and hurt yourself.

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I mean, it's just and all points in between.

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Um ammunition-wise, 38 special is probably the most affordable and it's the easiest to find versus you know 44 mag, 44 special, 32 HR, stuff like that.

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Um but yeah, 38 special, and and I tell people if you've got if you've got an interest in revolvers, they made something like 12 million K-frame model tens and MPs, which is your you know, medium frame, K-frame, Smith and Wesson specifically.

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Um they've made like a they made them since 1899.

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They're in ever like there's a used one in every gun shop in America.

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They can typically be had for 500 or less dollars.

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And just if that's what you want to learn, then you know, Model 64, Model 10, uh, Model 13s or 357 mag chambered.

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The reason I discourage people from going and jumping in the 357 mag pool is if you go to your local gun shop and the salesman that looks at a revolver like a Rubik's Cube sees 357 Magnum on the side, what ammunition is he gonna try to sell you?

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357 mag, right?

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And you're gonna shoot it six times and go, I'm never touching that again.

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Versus if you say, I want a 38 special, and the salesman says, Oh, well, here's a 357 mag, and you can shoot either one.

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Well, now you you're talking to somebody that's at least somewhat informed.

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But yeah, I really recommend get a medium frame 38 special and and invest the time there.

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Learn learn it there, and uh you can you can go smaller or larger from there, right?

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Make sense?

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Yes, sir.

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And that kind of leads me to I guess when you mentioned uh the different sizes um as far as the barrel length.

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Uh I know I've seen snub nose up to eight inches, and there may be even some bigger.

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I'm not sure.

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I'm not as familiar with revolvers as probably you are.

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But do you recommend one size in particular?

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Are there different situations where one size might be better?

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Um your thoughts on that?

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Yeah, so for the quasi-arm professional, a three-inch or a three and a half inch barrel, that is like the gunfighter length, right?

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It's uh I've got like five three-inch model tens and some in-frame 27s that are three and a half inch.

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Because they're the perfect balance and you get a full-length ejector rod.

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And people are like, what do you mean by that?

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Well, if you go to a snub, the rod will not is not long enough to fully extract the cartridges.

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So a three-inch gun, you can you can fully unseat the the spent cartridges, um, which is important if you're gonna carry that uh in a quasi-professional manner.

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Um the pocket snub is is one of my favorites.

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Um got a couple of friends that that's that's saved their bacon.

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Um and the ability, as my good friend Daryl Bulkey has has kind of coined a term, with a snub revolver in a pocket holster, you know, on your strong side, you can casually stand there and not alarm anybody and have your hand fully in a firing grip on a on a gun that you can deliver in under a second.

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And uh, you may have seen the videos.

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Daryl and me and a guy named Rett Niemier, we've all we've all demoed that.

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And uh the funny part of that is you know, for the semi-auto community that spends an inordinate amount of time trying to get below a subsecond draw to first shot, uh, you know, with moving pieces and all that, it's like we can throw a sucker punch from the pocket and be there in about a half second.

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And I'm not saying that's a great primary role, but uh Daryl Coined it is covered low ready.

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So it's everything's concealed and covered, but I'm I'm I'm ready to act.

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And it doesn't look socially offensive to people if you're standing there with your hand in your pocket.

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So uh I think that's a really valid method.

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And for that, you need that sub that two inch or less barrel, um, and generally a pretty light revolver, uh, which are not the most pleasant to shoot.

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But fortunately, in that format, what seems to be the best functioning ammo is either your lead semi-wide cutter at standard velocity or your 148 grain target wide cutter.

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And there's some really good companies out there that are making very consistent ammo that's loaded just a touch above what match ammo would be loaded for.

00:19:27.599 --> 00:19:37.839
Uh, like Curtis Shipley at GA Arms makes a wide cutter that'll run 750 feet per second out of an inch and seven eighths inch uh Smith and Wesson J frame.

00:19:38.640 --> 00:19:42.640
And that that round is purpose built as a defensive round.

00:19:42.880 --> 00:19:46.720
Um and it everything we see, it flat works.

00:19:46.799 --> 00:19:49.039
It's like it it's solid.

00:19:49.200 --> 00:19:58.000
Um and you can if you're a reloader, you can kind of mimic that and download it a little bit and be easier on your wrists and and everything else.

00:19:58.160 --> 00:20:02.720
So that's kind of the two barrel links I recommend.

00:20:02.960 --> 00:20:17.119
But like I said, if you're just starting out on a revolver, a four-inch old, I call them the old cop service guns, a four a four-inch Model 10 64, 65, uh Ruger GP, something like that.

00:20:17.759 --> 00:20:24.640
Um, I mean they're they're still reasonably affordable and and a four-inch barrel you can do just about anything with.

00:20:25.920 --> 00:21:18.160
Yeah, I think that uh revolvers, uh if you do carry four concealed, you know, it takes a lot more watching, you know, situational awareness, in my opinion, is that you know coming from the looking back at my military career whenever I was in uh M16A1, which was a full automatic version, and then they decided they were gonna go to the three-round version of model and get rid of the full auto to get rid of the in the atmosphere of the semi-auto and the revolver topics that revolvers you have to be more intense specific on your target, it takes a little bit more practice with it, but it eliminates that I've got 15 rounds.

00:21:18.319 --> 00:21:25.440
I'm just gonna pull the trigger and spring print, as we used to call it in military.

00:21:26.559 --> 00:21:37.920
I just think the the revolver, you know, if you practice with it, uh you can actually reload fairly quickly with the speed loader or stream loader.

00:21:40.319 --> 00:21:59.200
Yeah, your semi-auto is gonna load a little bit more, you're gonna have more rounds, but it's gonna make you more intent on focusing on your uh sight picture and target than just uh yanking on that trigger in a stress situation and then loading 15 rounds that will hit who knows where.

00:22:00.720 --> 00:22:03.279
What uh you have any thoughts on on that?

00:22:04.079 --> 00:22:10.960
Yeah, if you if you look at the armed citizen defense side, what do we constantly hear?

00:22:11.279 --> 00:22:14.240
The typical defensive shooting is what?

00:22:14.720 --> 00:22:17.519
Three rounds, three yards and three seconds, right?

00:22:17.839 --> 00:22:26.559
That's about by the time by the time the second, you know, 1000, 2000, pretty much the victor is determined in that.

00:22:27.519 --> 00:22:45.279
So capacity in that particular instance to me gives you can give a little bit of that for the ability to rapidly deploy it, and the the ability to consistently rapidly deploy it.

00:22:45.599 --> 00:22:54.559
Um one of the things I like to do, and I I got this from Wayne Dobbs, is when I'm briefing a class, I I have everybody, you know, look, hey, look around at everybody.

00:22:54.799 --> 00:22:59.920
We are at pistol gun fight distance, just a little over an arm's length, right?

00:23:00.160 --> 00:23:00.559
Yeah.

00:23:00.880 --> 00:23:05.680
For the for the the typical concealed carry role.

00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:09.119
Like pistol fight distance is conversation distance.

00:23:09.440 --> 00:23:20.079
So a revolver can really be deployed quickly in that uh without having to move cover garments and and um do a whole lot else.

00:23:20.319 --> 00:23:22.160
You can deploy it pretty rapidly.

00:23:22.400 --> 00:23:26.720
Um so that for me is where it takes a huge benefit.

00:23:26.960 --> 00:23:37.200
And I have the absolute fastest revolver reload that that you can time, and it's called haul another revolver out and don't worry about reloading the first one.

00:23:37.839 --> 00:23:46.960
Um and that's another place that revolvers kind of hold a special meaning to me is uh there is no magazine.

00:23:47.519 --> 00:24:03.680
So well, there is technically, but um but as far as capacity, get another revolver and the ability to carry two, say one in each front pocket, or one in a jacket pocket and one in a pants pocket.

00:24:04.240 --> 00:24:15.680
Um you have some uh you know, you have some flexibility there to uh and an added layer of safety with that longer, heavier trigger pull.

00:24:16.000 --> 00:24:18.799
It's pretty deliberate to make one of those go off.

00:24:19.039 --> 00:24:27.279
So having two of them on your person is a little even I won't say less to manage, but it's easier to manage than most people would think.

00:24:27.519 --> 00:24:30.480
And I have a question go along with what you just said, Brian.

00:24:30.640 --> 00:24:33.119
Um you talked about carrying two revolvers.

00:24:33.200 --> 00:24:38.480
So would you think that that would be a better way to go than maybe carrying a revolver and speed loaders?

00:24:38.640 --> 00:24:42.799
Um, I guess if so, then you know, kind of your thoughts on that.

00:24:44.079 --> 00:25:18.720
So if if I'm going to let's say I'm going to a place that's uh maybe capacity unfriendly, a state that even with Liosa, there might be some question as to well, can I have a 10-round magazine or an eight-round magazine or uh this or that you know, or I'm uh I'm going somewhere that my apparel will not allow me to put on a semi-auto pistol and conceal it very well, and I know you're gonna get hate mail.

00:25:18.880 --> 00:25:21.839
Well, buy this holster and you can do whatever.

00:25:22.240 --> 00:25:27.359
Um my response to that is okay, gunfighter, you do you.

00:25:27.440 --> 00:25:36.000
Uh, but if I've got to wear like a sport jacket, something like that, yeah, it's I can okay, I can strong side conceal that fairly well.

00:25:36.240 --> 00:25:41.279
But what happens when my split sport jacket, my Colt Commander, pops out of the back of it?

00:25:41.519 --> 00:25:46.880
Does that offend people that are around you and maybe get you asked to leave wherever you're right?

00:25:47.279 --> 00:25:53.920
So if I can drop a revolver in a pocket and then drop another revolver in a jacket pocket, right?

00:25:54.400 --> 00:26:01.039
It's pretty pretty invisible, uh, especially with a compact revolver.

00:26:01.119 --> 00:26:07.039
And then if the need arises for a reload, I have another delivery system for it.

00:26:07.200 --> 00:26:19.279
And if I've got a speed strip or two, I mean I'm sorry, if you're if you're hauling two revolvers out, you have probably selected where your life is taking you poorly, right?

00:26:20.319 --> 00:26:28.960
If you're going to revolver number two, you might you might want to think about what restaurants you're going to eat at or something.

00:26:29.039 --> 00:26:30.880
Like, right, is it really worth it?

00:26:31.039 --> 00:26:44.799
But uh, but typically when I carry one, I'll carry uh like I've got an older model 13 and an appendix rig from JM, and then I'll carry a J-frame in my pocket or some type of snub in my pocket, a Ruger LCR.

00:26:44.960 --> 00:26:53.599
And then I've generally got a speed strip, an eight-round speed strip that's spaced 246, so I can reload either gun if I needed to.

00:26:54.079 --> 00:26:57.119
Now, granted, that's pretty that's a pretty niche thing.

00:26:57.200 --> 00:27:06.319
That's a pretty low priority, or I won't say low priority, but low um low in the law of averages.

00:27:06.640 --> 00:27:13.279
But uh and generally, if I can appendix carry a revolver, I could probably appendix carry an auto.

00:27:13.440 --> 00:27:27.680
But I still like to have a revolver in the pocket because man, lifting your shirt up and hauling a semi-auto out kind of gets people's attention versus man, I may not need to use this, but at least I got my hand on it and I'm ready to.

00:27:28.240 --> 00:27:31.519
That's that's to me is where it pays huge dividends.

00:27:31.759 --> 00:27:34.880
So hope I answered that for you.

00:27:37.359 --> 00:27:38.240
Yes, sir.

00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:42.079
Um so another question I've got.

00:27:42.240 --> 00:27:46.160
So with all the uh now you got the hammerless revolvers out there.

00:27:46.240 --> 00:27:51.200
I know it's not necessarily traditional, but um, a lot of people I see are going to those.

00:27:51.279 --> 00:27:52.400
I see them a lot in gun stores.

00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:53.680
What's your thoughts on those?

00:27:53.839 --> 00:27:55.440
Um, do would you even recommend them?

00:27:55.519 --> 00:28:03.119
What kind of what are their their, I guess, areas where they might be more useful than a traditional hammered revolver?

00:28:04.960 --> 00:28:15.599
It most of the guns that I carry have an enclosed small small ones, have an enclosed shrouded hammer or a concealed hammer.

00:28:15.759 --> 00:28:18.480
Um, and that's two reasons.

00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:24.000
One, it's not gonna snag on anything, and two, you're not gonna get debris into the gun.

00:28:24.400 --> 00:28:28.799
I do have a bodyguard model 49 there uh that I don't carry it.

00:28:29.839 --> 00:28:31.839
It's 401k gun, right?

00:28:32.000 --> 00:28:40.160
Uh, and they have a hammer that's exposed in between the the trout of the of uh the frame.

00:28:41.119 --> 00:29:03.440
I really prefer for business guns uh formats like the Smith 442-642 or the Ruger LCR that's in completely sealed up because uh Brian's probably been at a police range when they inspect your gun and somebody gets an air hose out and you blow about four pounds of pocket lint out of them.

00:29:03.680 --> 00:29:08.799
It's it's a thing, uh, but also it they're pretty snag proof.

00:29:09.119 --> 00:29:21.279
Um so I I like that particular format on guns that have a hammer spur that are business guns and not 401k guns.

00:29:21.359 --> 00:29:26.400
I prefer to have the hammer spur cut and for two reasons.

00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:28.720
One, snag, right?

00:29:28.880 --> 00:29:30.720
Unless it's a collector's piece, right?

00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:38.640
But you're just showing off at the the little barbecue or whatever, but um but make them double action only.

00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:45.759
And the reason I say that is then there is no question that if you fired the gun, it was deliberate, right?

00:29:46.319 --> 00:29:58.960
Right, and you're gonna immediately eliminate the well, he cocked the gun and didn't mean to fire it, or chi or cocked the gun and and it had a hair trigger.

00:29:59.039 --> 00:29:59.759
Well, if you disable.

00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:02.559
The single action ability.

00:30:03.759 --> 00:30:15.200
Yeah, that there was 14 pounds of reasoning behind why I fired there 12 pounds or whatever it is of reason and time to think this over as I'm pressing it.

00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:21.039
So I'm a proponent of of on revolvers double action only.

00:30:21.200 --> 00:30:24.319
There's there's really no reason to shoot them single action.

00:30:24.799 --> 00:30:25.279
Right.

00:30:25.519 --> 00:30:52.960
Yeah, and if you buy a second hand or get one handed down, I've seen uh people that don't know the gun, don't know, especially if it's been handed down or bought at a pawn shop or something, uh used if you know they don't know any type of trigger work that's been done on it or any specialty work if they are don't expect that long heavy double action trigger pull or that uh even that uh lighter single action pull.

00:30:56.880 --> 00:30:57.839
Make it lighter.

00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:21.279
I wonder if they're working touching the trigger.

00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:35.359
And uh wow, that's a real sensitive gun just for him to uh shoot or something like that.

00:31:35.519 --> 00:31:54.000
But uh I I I'm not a proponent myself really of getting a whole lot of specialty work because then you open yourself up for a lot of liability with if you are involved in something to bring in questions, and that's we don't want that in a self-defense uh incident.

00:31:54.640 --> 00:32:05.680
Yeah, I I I subscribe to the on a pistol, your trigger should weigh a minimum of double what that gun weighs.

00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:08.079
That's just kind of an easy rule, right?

00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:13.920
If it's fully loaded and it weighs two and a half pounds, we want to have a four and a half to five and a half pound trigger.

00:32:14.559 --> 00:32:25.039
And there is some companies in the industry that don't subscribe to that, but to each his own.

00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:39.680
Um that's why and typically you know, I I carry in retirement the the gun I probably carry the most is a Glock 42 380, and it's got a front sight that's been replaced.

00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:40.480
That's it.

00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:52.559
And it's got about a four and a half five-pound trigger, and uh I I don't have any issue wringing steel at 50 yards with it if I need to.

00:32:52.720 --> 00:33:05.519
It's just um I I'm not a real proponent of business guns, lightning triggers and and you know, putting the super duper competition match, this, that, and the other.

00:33:05.599 --> 00:33:07.039
It's like keep it simple.

00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:10.559
Um if nothing else, for your your own safety.

00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:16.880
So you've got a little extra layer of forgiveness if you do something semi-sorta wrong, right?

00:33:17.119 --> 00:33:17.440
Right.

00:33:17.599 --> 00:33:27.920
Um, and that's the the thing with revolvers is you know, would would you carry a semi-auto with a four-pound trigger in your pocket with no holster?

00:33:28.640 --> 00:33:31.039
Everybody look at you like it's ludicrous, right?

00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:31.359
Yeah.

00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:43.599
Could you throw a revolver in an empty pocket if you went to go get your mail and and pretty well be assured that as long as there's nothing else in there, you're you're you're reasonably safe doing so.

00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:44.480
Right, yeah.

00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:46.480
Yeah, I mean, yeah.

00:33:46.720 --> 00:33:50.960
Um to me, the only thing uh like you were talking about hammer spurs.

00:33:51.119 --> 00:33:57.599
The only thing a hammer spurs good for is to like ease the hammer back a little bit and spin the cylinder and make sure I don't have a high primer.

00:33:57.920 --> 00:33:59.119
That's about it.

00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:03.440
That pretty much answered the next question I had.

00:34:03.519 --> 00:34:06.880
Um, but with that being said, so you would never no, that's great.

00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:15.199
Um with that being said, so you never see an opportun see a place where you would actually need a single action trigger pull.

00:34:16.559 --> 00:34:17.360
Just one.

00:34:17.519 --> 00:34:26.159
If you're carrying a Ruger Vacero or a Ruger Red Hawk or Blackhawk or something like that, that's single action only, then you absolutely have to.

00:34:26.320 --> 00:34:51.360
But Colt Single Action Army, but as the name implies, uh it's but but that they're you know, I don't see care people carrying those for defensive work outside of like you know hikers in Montana and Alaska and things like that, where having a gun with the hammer down that's physically unable to fire if it's you know getting knocked around in a pack or something.

00:34:51.599 --> 00:35:01.599
But even there, I mean, look at the Ruger Alaskan series, you know, they named it after the place and and their heavy boar, large caliber.

00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:11.360
Um but as far as single action shooting, I just on a double-action revolver, I I I don't see a need for it.

00:35:11.519 --> 00:35:22.320
Uh, there might, you know, maybe if you had a double-action silhouette gun built up or something, but in the defensive context, it's it's pretty well completely unnecessary.

00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:33.599
I kind of think if somebody's far enough away that you need to make a precision shot with a a revolver in the armed citizen context, that means they're far enough away you could probably run.

00:35:34.239 --> 00:35:34.880
Right.

00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:42.000
Um that's now I mean, there's again, there's exceptions to everything.

00:35:42.159 --> 00:35:45.440
Could you end up in some scenario where that might be necessary?

00:35:46.400 --> 00:35:49.360
Yes, but distance equals time.

00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:59.840
So there's uh you know, there's just not a lot I can see where there's a benefit to it, and I see a lot more negatives on that.

00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:09.039
Uh, number one being typically a double action revolver, if you cock it and put it in a single action mode, will not shoot to the same place it will double action, or vice versa.

00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:09.519
Right.

00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:13.599
So yeah, it's it's kind of unnecessary.

00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:14.480
Okay.

00:36:15.199 --> 00:36:15.599
Yes, sir.

00:36:16.159 --> 00:36:17.679
I I agree with that one.

00:36:19.840 --> 00:36:32.480
Uh what kind of drills do you uh kind of encourage uh or think uh a revolver carrying person should uh practice with?

00:36:32.559 --> 00:36:39.039
Um kind of be proficient for both accuracy as well as uh defensive shooting.

00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:42.719
Uh what are some drills that you think that they should practice on?

00:36:43.280 --> 00:36:48.159
Uh I like Justin Dial's five-yard roundup.

00:36:49.119 --> 00:36:56.239
Uh now you're gonna have to reload in there, but it's everything's a two and a half second par time.

00:36:56.800 --> 00:37:00.880
Okay, and it's uh one from the holster in two and a half.

00:37:03.679 --> 00:37:11.679
Uh four rounds from a low ready in two and a half seconds, and then with a five-shot revolver, 68, you're gonna need to reload.

00:37:11.920 --> 00:37:19.280
And then it's three shot strong hand only, three shots off gun hand only, and and all of those phases are two and a half seconds.

00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:21.199
So it's 10 rounds, two and a half.

00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:23.840
You set up timer to a two and a half second par time.

00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:25.519
That's a really good one.

00:37:25.599 --> 00:37:41.199
Uh, if you're for if you're new at a revolver, I really like uh if it's not a rim fire, uh, what Larry Mudget calls skip loading, which is put around in it, spin the cylinder, and then close it.

00:37:41.360 --> 00:37:42.559
Don't whip it close.

00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:43.679
That'll break it.

00:37:43.760 --> 00:37:47.679
Uh but close it and roll through the trigger.

00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:57.519
Open the cylinder, spin the cylinder, close it, roll through the trigger, and get get into the press trigger or roll the trigger and don't move the gun.

00:37:57.679 --> 00:38:18.000
Um, and then when you fire a shot, okay, now I open the cylinder, I put another cartridge in, spin it to where I've got five empty or four empties or five empties in it, and one live round, and then work up to where I can roll through that cylinder, and when the shot goes, uh it should go to its intended location.

00:38:18.079 --> 00:38:23.280
That'll get you into the discipline of of rolling a revolver trigger and not staging it.

00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:30.800
Uh, that's just a practice exercise, and I'm giving that away for my class at uh big tech's ordinance in a couple weeks here.

00:38:31.760 --> 00:38:35.519
Uh but that's that's how I like to practice with them.

00:38:35.679 --> 00:38:38.079
You remember the military's dime washer drill?

00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:38.639
Yeah.

00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:51.920
You can start out with a fired case or a uh you know with an empty gun and roll the revolver trigger and try to keep a keep something on the front side or on the barrel or something to that effect.

00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:57.039
That's a that's a really uh good uh training method.

00:38:57.199 --> 00:39:13.440
There's the super snubby test, which uh I ran this two days ago with a uh the new Kimber K6 ultra light, whatever um six shot hammerless revolver.

00:39:13.599 --> 00:39:23.760
And I gotta say I might have to get one of those, but uh but it's uh gosh, Greg Elfritz just posted it.

00:39:23.920 --> 00:39:28.639
It's uh 10 10 yards, it's five rounds in 12 seconds.

00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:36.800
Uh you go to five yards, you're shooting freestyle, two-handed on the gun, it's it's five rounds and five seconds.

00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:43.760
And then you go strong hand only at three yards, and it's five rounds and three seconds.

00:39:43.920 --> 00:39:46.800
I'd do if I'm not missing three and a half.

00:39:47.039 --> 00:39:50.239
Um, it's kind of a modification of the hit super test.

00:39:50.719 --> 00:39:58.400
Um with five round and six-round guns, I like to set part times at about one shot per second once you get proficient.

00:39:58.800 --> 00:40:03.039
Um before that, I like one round every two seconds, something like that.

00:40:03.199 --> 00:40:09.840
But um yeah, like there's just there's a ton of revolver exercises out there.

00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:31.280
Unfortunately, a lot of them are holdovers from police training where it's a 50-round qualification session, and it's like, you know, break some pieces of that up, and and uh I I tend to not practice reloads under time with a revolver because like I said, my answer is haul another revolver out, right?

00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:37.599
That's that's the the the most reliable reload there is for a revolver.

00:40:37.840 --> 00:40:52.800
Um speed strips, speed loaders, I I prefer speed strips, but uh mainly because they take up less space, so easier to hide.

00:40:53.679 --> 00:40:54.320
Yeah.

00:40:54.639 --> 00:41:08.159
Yeah, those uh speed loaders uh kind of bulge out a little bit if you're carrying it in a pocket and stuff, uh especially if you're carrying a typical jean pocket instead of a jacket or something like that.

00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:15.199
Yeah, and if I'm wearing a jacket during the winter time, I'll carry speed loaders in a jacket pocket on the same side as the gun.

00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:19.360
And then I'll carry maybe one or two on the other side.

00:41:19.840 --> 00:41:30.239
Um just so you you know you you've got the flexibility, but and I I typically carry uh HKS or Comp 2 speed loaders.

00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:36.400
So I'm partial to the HKS being coming from the law enforcement side.

00:41:36.559 --> 00:41:41.519
That's typically what we typically carry the where I worked at when I carried a revolver.

00:41:41.599 --> 00:41:42.559
So yeah.

00:41:42.960 --> 00:42:04.719
I was uh listening what a drill that I kind of adapted, and I was listening to you and Wayne talk in the uh other a couple weeks ago on the podcast with the drills, uh favorite drills that law enforcement adopted uh one that I I like that's uh good for both semi-auto and revolver in its thing.

00:42:08.960 --> 00:42:11.599
I run it twice and run it as a reload.

00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:13.280
So I'll put it in five.

00:42:13.679 --> 00:42:22.880
Uh if it's in a semi-auto, I'll put five rounds in each magazine and shoot the the drill, reload, and then shoot the drill again.

00:42:23.519 --> 00:42:28.719
Uh just to incorporate work in that reload and then also doing it in a revolver.

00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:33.039
So five rounds that most of your excuse me.

00:42:33.360 --> 00:42:39.599
Your revolvers are capable of unless you have a larger frame, uh six-round cylinder.

00:42:39.679 --> 00:42:58.800
But uh, and then reload how you're reloading, whether it's strips or speed loaders, and then you got that um the target acquisition and the little bit of movement that you're doing from the two-inch to the six-inch circle.

00:42:58.960 --> 00:43:02.639
And um uh that's one that I I practice quite a bit.

00:43:02.719 --> 00:43:12.159
And I even in my classes, whenever I do advanced, I really push that that drill just because it incorporates so many things in in one drill.

00:43:13.119 --> 00:43:13.760
Yeah.

00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:43.599
Yeah, there's there's tons of of good revolver exercises, and I I you know, I subscribe to the Rangemaster newsletter and Greg Elefrit's uh uh active response training, uh his knowledge dump, get on his email list, and you know, he links, he does a weekend knowledge dump every weekend, and there's generally there's something on revolvers in there.

00:43:43.840 --> 00:44:07.920
There's a Facebook post or an exercise or an article or something that he links to, or uh he wrote up one on the super snubby test here a while back, and and uh that's another which unfortunately I don't have it in front of me, and I don't shoot it very often uh unless it's a revolver day, and then I typically pull it up on my phone and I I was looking, I couldn't find the link.

00:44:08.079 --> 00:44:13.039
I can't, it's the part times, everything's in groups of five, and it's a 15-round deal.

00:44:13.360 --> 00:44:20.639
Uh, but that one is a really good barometer of skill on a B8 repair center.

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Uh tends to be one of my favorites because it's pretty easily scorable, and it's challenging, but at the same time, it'll tell you kind of where you're at with shooting a revolver um pretty pretty quick.

00:44:38.239 --> 00:44:46.960
So um, and that that super snubby doesn't involve any reloads, but it's a good balance of speed and accuracy.

00:44:47.280 --> 00:44:53.280
And um accuracy is king, regardless of what anybody tells you.

00:44:53.440 --> 00:45:02.880
It's you know, speed's all good, but accuracy is what what finishes fights and what stops bad people from doing bad things.

00:45:02.960 --> 00:45:09.119
So gotta hit your target to stop the threat.

00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:11.679
Not only that, you gotta hit it in the right spot.

00:45:11.920 --> 00:45:12.159
Right.

00:45:12.800 --> 00:45:25.519
Handguns, uh a 38 special that's 0.357 is about the size of a uh uh what is it, 355, 356, 357.

00:45:26.239 --> 00:45:28.159
It's like a drill bit, man.

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It's just gonna punch a hole.

00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:36.960
Um all the hollow point technology in the world doesn't doesn't do you a thing if you shoot somebody in the ankle.

00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:37.360
Right.

00:45:37.519 --> 00:45:45.119
Um so you know the B8 Repair Center, if you haven't heard on the podcast before, there's one just over my right shoulder right there.

00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:49.280
Uh that's about the size of the target.

00:45:49.760 --> 00:45:57.840
Daryl Balkey says a grapefruit or a large orange in in the high center chest is about where you need to be all the time.

00:45:58.079 --> 00:45:58.480
Right.

00:45:58.719 --> 00:46:06.239
Um, even ipsicazones are a little too forgiving on the elevation side.

00:46:06.400 --> 00:46:12.079
Uh it kind of extends down there into Wayne calls it the goodles, right?

00:46:12.239 --> 00:46:17.599
And I've I've interviewed a lot of gut shot felons, a lot of them.

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And it's, you know, a lot of times it wasn't even a fight stopper.

00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:29.920
So uh that B eight repair center, the black of that B8 repair center is just to me is like the perfect target.

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Um I've been on that for five or six years.

00:46:34.000 --> 00:46:37.280
Um it it really holds you accountable.

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So I do 99% of my practice on one of those right there.

00:46:41.360 --> 00:46:55.519
So well, uh, if somebody wanted to reach out to Brian or things that you're involved in, uh, how would they uh where would they look and how would they contact you or the things that you're involved?

00:46:56.239 --> 00:46:58.719
Uh well I'm on the Facebooks.

00:46:58.960 --> 00:47:08.079
Uh my page is private, uh, but EDC Belt Company, we have a Facebook page and I I monitor all the the correspondence there.

00:47:08.559 --> 00:47:11.679
Uh if you ping an email there, it pings to me.

00:47:11.920 --> 00:47:16.079
So uh that's that's one way uh I do most of my class.

00:47:16.159 --> 00:47:19.280
If I'm gonna do a class advertisement, it goes out there as well.

00:47:19.440 --> 00:47:25.199
Uh the off-duty on-duty podcast, again, if you ping that one for a question or something, that goes to me.

00:47:25.440 --> 00:47:30.400
I forgot to mention in the pre-show, or I actually have a Patreon page.

00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:33.280
That was the other, that was the hat I couldn't remember.

00:47:33.519 --> 00:47:40.159
For three dollars a month, I do everything from training tips to how to take apart and maintain your revolvers.

00:47:40.320 --> 00:47:55.760
Uh, some custom work, uh I do some 1911 stuff because that's kind of on the rise again, and there's a lot of people that forgot it's a hundred and twelve-year-old technology, you need to learn how to maintain it.

00:47:56.400 --> 00:47:59.679
Uh it's the equivalent of driving a stick shift, you know.

00:47:59.920 --> 00:48:09.519
Um then if you message me there, like I said, I I have to charge something for that because it it's pretty time consuming.

00:48:09.599 --> 00:48:17.039
But three bucks a month, and I I even do it where if you want to send in a request, I'll I'll dig something up.

00:48:17.199 --> 00:48:26.880
The uh uh off-duty, on duty, edc built company, patreon, and that's that's pretty much it.

00:48:26.960 --> 00:48:32.800
I took down my my training page because I just wasn't doing much with it.

00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:37.280
Um and it was it was just an extra layer.

00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:44.320
And then on Instagram, I am Brian with a Y, not I, all one word underscore.

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And it's that one I put I I don't do much training stuff on that one, it's just post up pictures of you know where I've been and what we're doing.

00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:56.320
So, you know, post some historical revolver stuff.

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And uh yeah, and then I'm doing a lot of work with Darryl Bulky.

00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:09.280
Um, he has hardwired integrated tactical shooting or hits um on Facebook.

00:49:09.679 --> 00:49:14.480
So if we do a class, it's usually there, you'll you'll ping it there.

00:49:15.679 --> 00:49:19.519
So that's the five ways you can get a hold of me.

00:49:19.840 --> 00:49:20.159
Okay.

00:49:20.559 --> 00:49:32.880
And if anybody was actually you know wanting to hear some training knowledge from you, I know that uh each year the last couple years you've been teaching out at the Guardian conference, which is this month.

00:49:33.039 --> 00:49:42.400
And that would be uh I haven't been to one of those yet, and I really want to uh try to make uh in the next year or so make a trip out to one of those.

00:49:43.199 --> 00:49:46.400
Yeah, that one's coming up uh middle of the month here.

00:49:46.559 --> 00:49:48.719
I think in what is today?

00:49:48.880 --> 00:49:52.960
Today's the fourth, so it's in like 11 days.

00:49:53.360 --> 00:49:56.400
Um 11 or 12 days, I can't remember.

00:49:56.559 --> 00:50:00.159
I gotta be there a day early and stay stay through that Monday.

00:50:00.320 --> 00:50:05.119
So yeah, it's the 15th, 16th, 17th, so 11 days away.

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Um and that's uh the nice part about that conference, and I'd I'll I'll if you don't mind me talking about it a little bit.

00:50:13.840 --> 00:50:18.159
Yeah, and this is not a shameless plug for come train with me.

00:50:18.239 --> 00:50:28.400
Uh we have a a whole host of instructors, uh, guys like Eric Gellhouse, who is a gunsight range master for like the last 20 years.

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He's written the gun sight red dot optics training protocols and a lot of that.

00:50:34.559 --> 00:50:44.559
Uh fan, probably the most unknown and absolutely best trainers on the face of the planet.

00:50:44.719 --> 00:50:46.639
Uh, and I don't say that lightly.

00:50:46.719 --> 00:50:53.840
Uh, he is a friend of mine, but seriously, if you get a chance, he's got Cougar Mountain Solutions is the name of his company.

00:50:54.000 --> 00:51:01.599
So when he's not working at Gunsight, he goes on the road and teaches uh red dot red dot low light vehicle stuff.

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I mean, a lot of LEO centric stuff, but uh I went through his red dot instructor course, and that was probably one of the best investments I've ever made.

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And um because it was a true instructor development, it wasn't just uh shoot a bunch of drills and go home and everybody high five.

00:51:21.280 --> 00:51:30.239
It was a lot of in-depth stuff, and um that uh he'll be there at the conference.

00:51:30.559 --> 00:51:38.400
So you have like four hours of access to the guy, or if you take two classes from him, like eight hours of time that you can you can interact with him.

00:51:38.559 --> 00:51:42.400
Wayne Dobbs doesn't do a whole lot of open enrollment training anymore.

00:51:42.639 --> 00:51:54.320
Um he's got one coming up in Granbury, Texas in November, but it's very he does very limited amount of access to that guy, and he'll be there.

00:51:54.480 --> 00:51:57.920
Uh, of course, Riley Bowman, Mickey Shook, Carrie Trainer.

00:51:58.639 --> 00:52:08.239
But the biggest thing I I appreciate about that conference is breakfast, lunch, and on several nights, dinner is covered.

00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:14.960
So, you know, we got sponsors that cater in a dinner like two of the three nights.

00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:18.719
Um you've got lunch is delivered on site.

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Breakfast, they've got like a juice bar and you know, just snacks for breakfast.

00:52:24.719 --> 00:52:38.960
But you know, if you think about the logistics of going to a conference and okay, I've got to pay for a place to stay, pay for how to get there, and I gotta pay for chow nine meals, ten meals while you're there.

00:52:39.039 --> 00:52:41.119
I mean, think of the cost savings of that.

00:52:41.360 --> 00:52:41.679
Right.

00:52:41.840 --> 00:52:49.119
Um and EDC Belt Company, we sell we sell belts out there at a little discounted rate, and there's ammo for sale out there.

00:52:49.199 --> 00:52:54.000
I mean, it's it's the total kind of self-contained conference.

00:52:54.239 --> 00:52:54.880
Yeah.

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So I recommend it if you if you get a chance.

00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:11.440
And and it's like you know, ages 21 to 80, and all points in between and all skill levels, and uh it covers a pretty bought broad base.

00:53:11.519 --> 00:53:16.800
And then next year I'm teaching at Rangemaster TacCon, but it's sold out in like 12 minutes this year.

00:53:16.960 --> 00:53:21.920
So if you're not in on that one, you're not gonna get on on it until 2024.

00:53:23.360 --> 00:53:29.760
And uh yeah, Tom invited me to teach there this year and then again next year, so I'll be doing a block there.

00:53:29.920 --> 00:53:33.760
Um and then I've got uh big tech's ordinance.

00:53:33.840 --> 00:53:56.800
If you're in the Texas area, uh October 21st, I'm doing a one-day practical revolver skills course that you know, bring what you got, and it's it's it's gonna be kind of just a broad brush overview of of revolvers for eight hours, and I think it's 225 bucks with the range fee.

00:53:57.039 --> 00:54:06.079
Uh, guy named Alex Sanson, the suited shootist, is hosting that, and he's doing all the ads and money and all that for me.

00:54:06.320 --> 00:54:12.559
So uh, and I have I I've taught that class like twice for private gigs.

00:54:12.719 --> 00:54:17.599
I've never done it open enrollment, and I've always vetted all the students before I did it.

00:54:17.760 --> 00:54:24.880
And this time I'm I'm I'm I got thrown a curveball, so I'm gonna do my best to knock it over the fence.

00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:26.000
So okay.

00:54:26.719 --> 00:54:28.159
You got anything, David?

00:54:28.239 --> 00:54:30.079
You wanna ask?

00:54:31.440 --> 00:54:32.400
I think I'm good.

00:54:32.719 --> 00:54:42.159
Well, one of the questions that uh we are gonna start asking this year for all of our guests, uh, what's a hobby or something you do for relaxation?

00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:53.039
I would say away from your normal job and everyday routine, but uh since you're in that uh retirement but still working phase, uh what do you do for relaxation?

00:54:53.119 --> 00:54:55.119
What's your your favorite thing to do?

00:54:55.679 --> 00:54:56.800
Oh man.

00:54:58.480 --> 00:55:01.199
That's that's a bit of a loaded question, man.

00:55:01.920 --> 00:55:10.000
Um I really have grown fond of like traveling.

00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:19.119
That sounds kind of cliche, but for the last 25 years, uh traveling was kind of a mess for me, and I never really liked it.

00:55:19.360 --> 00:55:25.119
Uh but I don't guess that's a hobby because most of the traveling I'm doing is gun-centric stuff.

00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:28.960
So I try to build in some time there to do to do something else.

00:55:29.199 --> 00:55:29.599
Right.

00:55:29.840 --> 00:55:39.599
Um my dear friend Daryl Bulkey and I went to Lake Havasu back in January, and I was like, wow, I can walk around and not carry a gun and feel just fine.

00:55:39.679 --> 00:55:40.480
This is cool.

00:55:41.119 --> 00:55:44.079
Um other than that, like I I play guitar.

00:55:44.719 --> 00:55:47.840
That's that's kind of one of my deals.

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And then uh my my gal and I, our our favorite pastime is pick some eclectic restaurant or uh you know, fine dining establishment.

00:56:00.400 --> 00:56:09.679
And like once a month we try to go and like okay, this is not something we would normally do on a Tuesday, but we're gonna go to this real high-end steakhouse and see what that's about.

00:56:09.920 --> 00:56:13.360
So that's yeah, that's fun times.

00:56:13.519 --> 00:56:27.519
And I know that it doesn't sound like a hobby, but it it's it's just kind of a guilty pleasure of mine that we do, but yeah, well, well, things to all of us are are different.

00:56:27.599 --> 00:56:37.360
We're in unique individuals, so you know we we all have our own favorite thing that we like, or that kind of gives us that reprieve from reality, I guess.

00:56:37.519 --> 00:56:48.239
And uh yeah, mine's uh uh listening to music or you know, even even though I do the training, uh uh range therapy is always great.

00:56:48.719 --> 00:56:52.159
Yeah, the range for me is a workout in business now.

00:56:52.480 --> 00:56:57.280
So it it's not as much of a hobby.

00:56:57.519 --> 00:57:01.199
So I kind of look at going to the range as like going to the gym.

00:57:02.079 --> 00:57:12.320
Um, and then I do some gunsmithing work, and I know like all those only two of those are not gun-centric, but I really enjoy like shutting the door on the shop.

00:57:12.480 --> 00:57:29.679
My dad and I have a little gunsmith shop, shutting the door on the shop, turn the AC on, turn music up, and do something meaningful, you know, customize a 1911 or work on a revolver or fix something that's been broken for a hundred years.

00:57:29.840 --> 00:57:33.280
I mean, that's uh that's pretty rewarding.

00:57:33.519 --> 00:57:52.880
Um I've got a couple of you know projects that I like to work on, or I think I was set tired telling you I did a Haney McMood handed me a 1931 Colt and says, Can you put a cart barrel in this and do this and put this beaver tail and this hammer and these sites?

00:57:52.960 --> 00:57:55.280
And I was like, Yeah, yeah, here we go.

00:57:55.679 --> 00:58:07.519
Do that, and that that's pretty rewarding, especially, you know, we test fired it in Georgia, and I was like, Hey, it shoots really good and it works really well.

00:58:08.000 --> 00:58:11.840
And it just kind of resurrected this old gun, you know, gave it a second life.

00:58:12.159 --> 00:58:16.159
So yeah, that kind of stuff is is pretty fun.

00:58:16.480 --> 00:58:17.440
Okay, all right.

00:58:17.599 --> 00:58:33.760
Well, uh Brian, I appreciate you joining us and talking about revolvers, and uh, I enjoyed the conversation and the time with you, and uh uh maybe we might have you back uh on a future podcast episode for another topic or revisit this one.

00:58:34.480 --> 00:58:40.719
1911s, bring me back for 1911s, and I'll yeah, it's the one thing I know more than anything else about.

00:58:40.800 --> 00:58:42.159
So yeah.

00:58:42.400 --> 00:58:42.719
Okay.

00:58:43.119 --> 00:58:43.679
All right.

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Well, thank you for joining us, and uh as always, y'all remember the motto learn, train, and survive.

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