Comprehensive Firearms Training: Amy Lucas on Skill Development, Instructor Selection, and Enhanced Safety Awareness

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Hi, welcome to the Arm Guardian podcast, season two, episode 12.

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Today, crystal and I will be talking with Amy Lucas, a USCCA instructor from Michigan, who's going to talk about training, the importance of continued education and how to vet out instructors for your training needs.

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So sit back and enjoy today's episode as we talk with Amy.

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Hi, welcome to the Arm Guardian Podcast.

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I'm your host, Brian, here with Crystal, who's with us via audio today, and then our guest is Amy Lucas, and today we're going to talk about getting training, how important it is and how to vet out your instructors for classes that you may attend.

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So, without any further ado, amy, how are you doing today?

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I'm good, Brian.

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How are you?

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I'm doing wonderful, wonderful and getting ready after the podcast here to go out and get on the tractor and do some mowing around our blueberries and everything on our property.

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So I've got a long evening after we get done here.

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Oh, that's an unfortunate evening.

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Well, I mean, you've got to keep the blueberries alive, right?

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Yeah, got to keep them.

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Grass is starting to grow like crazy around here.

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So, yeah, we had our last cold snap last night.

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I think it got down to 37, and that was, according to the almanac.

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That was the last cold snap that we'll have for the year, until next winter.

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Right, well, that's good to hear, that's good news.

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Crystal.

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How are you doing?

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I'm doing wonderful.

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I had to end up going and getting my granddaughter from school today, so I totally forgot it was Wednesday.

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I was thinking it was on a Thursday, but here I am.

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All right, well, glad you could join us here, so we'll jump in and start to get everything rolling.

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Amy, would you mind introducing yourself and tell us a little bit about what you do in the industry of firearms.

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Sure, my name is Amy Lucas and I'm the owner of Steel and Stilettos Firearm Training.

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I've been training.

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I started my business in March of 2020, and that was obviously during COVID, if you can remember that but I've been training with firearms and training others in the field of law enforcement for over 20 years.

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So I started my career really young, you know, I was 20 years old and couldn't even own a gun yet.

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But right there, not long after I turned 21 and was able to take the firearms courses through the Michigan Department of Corrections, where I was an officer for 20 years an investigator and field training investigator a lot of different positions within the department but the training was.

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What was most important during all of those years is making sure that I got out of there every day, and so when I retired, I just decided to take it another step and still continue to train and educate others on how to be responsible with firearms and how to defend their lives.

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Okay, all right so.

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I am a USCCA instructor, certified firearms instructor and a USCCA training counselor.

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I'm an official partner with the United States Concealed Carry Association.

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I teach many different types of classes, some non-shooting courses and also shooting courses and a concealed pistol license as well, and I do some instructor development courses.

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I've created actually a lot of different courses throughout this small amount of four years, just because I've realized that there's so many areas that I need to reach, you know, and reaching all the different types of people out there and what they're looking for.

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I agree with you.

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A lot of times people hear firearms instructor and they think that's all you do.

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But there's so much we do than just teach people how to use firearms, so I commend you on doing that as well.

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Thank you.

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Yeah, that's something that I've noticed.

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We started then about the same time.

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I started in March of 2020.

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So, uh, it made the business and everything and, uh, I'm learning that a lot of different uh aspects out there for the mass shooter threat, the women focused in on women, focusing on children, and then not so much just the firearms but the legal aspect, the psychological aspect, just different other things that a lot of people just don't realize.

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First aid that's the big forgotten topic.

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I hear on a lot of people I hadn't thought about taking first aid classes.

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Well, like our interview with Brian McLaughlin from Mountain man Medical, we're carrying the thing to make holes in people.

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We need to carry stuff to patch the holes in people if it was us, a loved one or something like that.

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It's a lot of different things in the industry of firearms that are more than just firearms.

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So first big question is why is training important, both for the beginners and the experienced shooters?

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Well, training is important for both right.

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So for the inexperienced shooter it's important to grasp the concepts and safety and all the things that come along with that and the handling, the storage, the range, etiquette, all with that person.

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You know it depends on that person how fast we go and it depends on a lot of different things.

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But whether you're inexperienced or experienced, training is important.

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You know, repetition is key with anything that builds your confidence, which makes you feel more you know, able and ready and prepared.

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And obviously, skill development, for your inexperience is important, but also your experience continuing to develop your skills and and get with what the latest gadgets are out there and being able to um acclimate to them, because you know you never know what your students are going to show up with and you're the expert right.

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So skill development is really important.

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And then obviously, your your legal and ethical considerations to think about making sure that you're you know the inexperienced and experienced are are very well versed in the legal aspect and the responsibility that comes with it.

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And for the you know and continuing to learn about the laws and the rules because, as you know and we all know, they change all the time.

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Right, because, as you know and we all know they change all the times, right, yeah, yeah.

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And I tell people that take my classes when they start out.

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I encourage them to keep training just because firearms is a perishable skill.

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It's just like riding a bike If you don't ride in a while, then next time you try to get on it at age 48, you better, more proficient and build on your, your, your baseline that you started in your beginner class and even with your experienced shooters.

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You know one of the things like, if I ever go to different training sessions, the first thing that we cover is safety, right, and that's important.

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But sometimes I think a lot of times the experienced shooters get a little complacent with safety because it's second nature to them, or so they think, and I recently heard of an incident with an instructor that almost shot his finger off you know what I mean Because he was cleaning his gun.

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And that's what we hear on the news, not our fellow instructors.

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Right, instructors, right and so, even if you're inexperienced or experienced, it's still important to you know, continue training and and uh, really, just adapting the methodology of all of it, you know right, well it's.

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It's like uh, you know, things also evolve in our industry.

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Uh, how, how much you know from I don't know about, with you with your firearms training whenever I got was in law enforcement and in the military.

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We've taught, we were taught a lot of Weaver stance when shooting and part of it is the keeping the gun side away from the attacker.

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But they have evolved and now are training a lot of officers to do the isotheles, changing their attitude and making them, when they do encounter something, to shoot isosceles if they're able to, because it's a better, more stable platform.

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But things evolve.

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You know, the cup and saucer grip, just things like that, and that's something that staying on top of it will help you both.

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I think, personally and in a situation where you may be involved and have to face attorneys and juries and stuff like that.

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That will be more beneficial to you as you keep on with the training that you're up to date or you're trying to stay up to date and not just somebody that, hey, I took a class and that's the last class that I ever took, 10 years ago.

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Right.

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Well, we all know that line that a good instructor is always a good student, right Right, yeah, keep going, keep training.

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Did you good student?

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Right Right, yeah, keep going, keep training yeah.

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Did you have something, Crystal?

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I think I cut you off a little bit.

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No, I say that I agree with you because we're all learning, and if anybody says that there's no more need to get educated or learn anything, then I would stay away from that person.

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Yeah, I would stay away from that person.

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Yeah, so once we get people into training or people that are looking to expand on their training, amy, how do we recommend people vet out their potential instructors?

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What are things that they should be looking for to make sure that they're getting quality instruction?

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I actually wrote a few things down because, as I'm, getting a little bit older and I want to make sure that I don't forget any of these things.

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So really finding a great instructor is not going to be as difficult as you think, especially if you're in Michigan.

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We have the most amount of instructors than any other state I don't know if you knew that, but just in my area alone in Detroit, is 658 instructors in my area.

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Wow, right.

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So how do you vet an instructor from 658 instructors?

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Well, the first thing that you that I would say is the most important is research in word of mouth, right?

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So researching, really looking into the instructor's background, their credentials, their qualifications, expertise, and maybe even reading anything on them, any publications or achievements that they've made or had, and really so that would be really important is researching.

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You know, looking at their reviews from class is also very important.

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You know, I have reviews that come not only through my USCCA dashboard, but I get Google reviews as well, and it's very important for the person that might not be on the USCCA dashboard but just, you know, signing in and looking on Google for an instructor in their area, and so it's important to for them to see the reviews and my bio and what I offer.

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So reviews and recommendations are also.

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You know, word of mouth is everything, because if your friend took the class well and she liked it, then you're most likely going to enjoy it too, or they'll be very candid with you about how it went for them, maybe even looking at some sample content.

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Maybe if they have a YouTube channel, maybe you can see you know kind of their thoughts and beliefs around different things, or even just how they actually taught something online or just some sample content, you know.

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Look at their website to see if there's any videos that they have of themselves and, you know, engage with your instructor.

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I tell you what if I get a phone call and somebody's interested in you know something, I promise you I can sell them on me.

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And that's really important.

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You know, having a personality is important, being able to engage with people.

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And you know, and not every person that I talk to is going to take that class just based on my personality.

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Maybe it doesn't meet their need, right, but at least you know, at least you know a good instructor is going to also have other people in their back pocket to, you know, really, just say, hey, you know what, I can't do that for you, but here's another person and so I've aligned myself with whatever I can't do, somebody else I know can, right.

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So engage with the instructor, ask them the questions, you know, maybe talking about a little bit more about the course that they're offering, and does that align with your needs and wants for that particular course?

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Checking for red flags is also important.

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And how do you check for red flags?

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Well, that's just again another review.

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Or maybe there's some inconsistencies when they're talking to you about what the course is about, or it's just they seem like they don't really, you know, have an established, you know, way of explaining that course or whatever, but there's, you know, there could be even complaints from previous students.

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Or, you know, there's all kinds of things that you could be looking for.

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But when we talk about red flags, we're also talking about trusting your gut, right?

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We talk about that even in our classes.

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Trust your gut.

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If it doesn't feel right or if this person seems nice but I'm just not feeling it, go with that too, you know.

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And then you can also just verify credentials, and it's probably not going to be as easy as a process, you know.

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I mean, there's a lot of people that could really just go on their website and list a whole list of credentials.

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How can you check them?

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Well, with your certified.

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You know agencies that do certify these instructors USCCA, nra they can verify credentials as well.

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So that's just some of the things that I was thinking about when vetting an instructor.

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Okay, all right, in vetting an instructor, okay, all right.

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Yeah, it's something that I think a lot of people and I don't want to jump because of the question later on, but the vetting, like I said, go into their website If they've got an established business, like you and I do, checking with the Better Business Bureau, checking with their local Chamber of Commerce, things like that, some other avenues that you can kind of vet out your instructor and their business.

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So, yeah, it's an important thing, I think, to make sure you're getting someone that is certified, not someone that just says, hey, I'm going to wake up today and I'm going to start teaching firearms and may be able to like here in Georgia, since we don't have a, not like in Michigan, where you've got to take a class and you've got to be a certified instructor Joe Blow can start a training academy here in Georgia and you know it is what it is.

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Exactly Okay.

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What are some of the different certifying organizations that you're familiar with and what are some things that people should look for when they're looking at these certified instructors from these organizations?

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Can you kind of tell us a little bit about the ones that you're familiar with?

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Is that me or Crystal?

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For you.

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Yeah, okay, okay.

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So just some of the.

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We had a little conversation about this before we got started, but just, I'm not familiar with all of the different certifying agencies.

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I just know that when I went and looked for mine, I definitely was sold on the United States Concealed Carry Association, which is the USCCA.

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So that is one of your certifying agencies, uscca.

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And then of course we've got the NRA.

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That's another certifying agency and we have there's a lot of in every state.

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There's different training organizations, state-specific, and then there's a lot of different firearm training academies that you can earn certification through them, firearm training academies, and that you could earn certification through them.

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But the thing is is that with the firearm training academies, everybody could just open up an academy and just say, hey, we're going to teach you everything from A to Z and you know.

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Really, just again going back into vetting your instructor or your academy.

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So that would be the same thing, right?

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Just making sure it's credible, making sure that it counts.

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If you print out a certificate, does it count anywhere besides in that frame?

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You know what I?

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mean and just making sure that it's legit.

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Okay, all right.

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What about you, crystal?

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You got anything down in Florida that you see that you're familiar with?

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As far as certifying organizations other than what we've talked about, Not really, because I stick with the USCCA and NRA.

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I have certifications in both, so I'm familiar with those two.

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But as far as any other ones, those are typically the two that we stick with.

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Now, yeah, there might be state ones, but as far as getting somebody certified, let's say, for the concealed carry, these are the two organizations that are what we usually use.

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Right, okay, all right.

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So, amy, what kind of value can you get from repeating a class with the same instructor or even a different instructor?

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Well there's.

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There's value for both, right.

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So repeating the class with the same instructor, I mean reinforcement of concepts that they've already been teaching you and building on those same skills, I think if I had a person that came in for my my six part series of quick hits on every Tuesday we join for an hour, you know, and talk about something different.

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It just takes them to that next part of the series.

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So I think that's kind of important to continue on, and you already kind of know their strengths and weaknesses and you've already developed a rapport which is really important.

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Is that?

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rapport I'm sorry, Crystal.

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I said, yeah, you're right about that.

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It's always good to build up.

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Yeah, that rapport is really important and so with you know just that, and then having a deeper understanding by you know, taking that same class over and over.

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It's funny because when this question came up I thought about one particular student of mine that every time I have a class in Adrian Michigan, I have that same student in that front row and she's taking my course, I would say probably about 15 times now.

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And she says I mean, she's an older lady, she's probably between 70 and 80 years old, but she said every time I learned something new and what.

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But she just loves to just come.

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And she said I just pick up something new every time or it just, it just gives me the, it reminds me, it reinforces, kind of the things that you've already talked about.

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And so that way she does have that deeper understanding of what those concepts are and and also just you know the skill refinement like.

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So now, now you know I take her to the range every time now.

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So over the course of these 15 different sessions I've seen the progression and I already know where her weaknesses are on that range as well.

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So that's really important.

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Or if you had a different instructor, there might be teaching the exact same course, but everybody's got a different way of teaching or way of saying, so maybe it really just hit different from someone else.

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So there's nothing wrong with that at all, and I say that you know I love people to take all of my courses, and but I also do recommend they go elsewhere as well, you know, because it is important to learn from others elsewhere as well, you know, because it is important to learn from others.

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Yeah, you do the same thing that I do Now.

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I tell people, you know I'd love to have you take all of my classes, but you know, if you take a class from someone else I'm not going to be upset.

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I want you to continue your education and I want you to learn.

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And you know I may explain something one way and it just doesn't resonate with you.

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But you go take a class from another one and the light bulb goes off, like I know what he was talking about now, and they make that connection.

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So it's just like human beings in general, we're all different.

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So, no, we're not all going to be the same.

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We're going to have different experiences, and that also goes into education as well.

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You know you got some that are visual, some that are auditorial and some that are tactile.

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So, um, yeah, it's.

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I really encourage them.

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Like I said, I do the same thing you do.

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Encourage them to come back, but I also give them the opportunity to go seek out that I wouldn't be upset if they thought somebody else to take training, if they decided to.

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I do the same thing and sometimes if there's an instructor that I know that's a really good instructor, I'll tell one of my students.

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Or tell my students listen, I know somebody that's given this class you might want to take it and they appreciate that you know, and they'll do the same thing for me.

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So it works out not only in educating our students but also cross promoting our businesses with one another.

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Absolutely, and that's kind of what I was talking about earlier with aligning myself.

00:22:16.817 --> 00:22:27.175
You know, when I first started, I didn't align myself with anybody and I felt like, you know, I was really, really protective of my brand and I was nervous about letting anyone else be a part of it.

00:22:27.175 --> 00:22:31.455
And I realized very quickly that I'm only one person.

00:22:32.205 --> 00:22:36.566
And I realized it also takes a lot more people and I'm not the best at everything.

00:22:36.566 --> 00:22:46.193
So I've aligned myself through these four years, that I've aligned myself with great, great other female and male instructors.

00:22:46.193 --> 00:22:54.119
That way, no matter what, if somebody says I want a class for this, I've got the person to promote and whether they choose them or not, that's fine.

00:22:54.160 --> 00:23:00.184
I just want to have the resources available for them or not, that's fine, I just want to have the resources available for them.

00:23:00.184 --> 00:23:14.170
Yeah, yeah, I think that having that cadre of of people around you to where you can recommend, you know, somebody that you know maybe you're not comfortable with a somebody in their shooting style or no, stay for me.

00:23:14.170 --> 00:23:22.911
I teach a lot of women but no, no, I know there are some women that are just they would prefer having been taught by another woman.

00:23:22.911 --> 00:23:41.875
But, uh, I like being able to have that ability to recommend them to go seek somebody else, to get maybe a more personal touch, training or, you know, make them feel more comfortable and um absolutely and then it's like with the rifles.

00:23:41.955 --> 00:23:43.960
I'm not a, I can teach.

00:23:43.960 --> 00:23:45.650
I've shot rifles before.

00:23:45.650 --> 00:23:56.755
Uh, it's not my forte uh, but I know people that are big rifle people like your, your uh cohort, uh Trampas, uh down in Jacksonville.

00:23:56.755 --> 00:24:03.992
Uh, I'm getting ready to try to take a class with him here sometime this summer, if he gets his schedule put up.

00:24:03.992 --> 00:24:10.012
Where I can can make it with between him and his uh kids, uh, eating in their karate and stuff.

00:24:10.012 --> 00:24:18.858
But uh, yeah, it's just like like the rifle uh and even shotgun.

00:24:18.858 --> 00:24:43.333
No, I've carried both when I was in law enforcement, I've hunted before, but it's just not something that I'm proficient in and I realize that I'm not proficient in it, and so that's one of the things I'm looking to expand my training on and that way I can become more acclimated to it, to be able to open up a possibility of teaching some rifle shotgun classes and stuff like that.

00:24:43.333 --> 00:24:44.615
So absolutely.

00:24:48.925 --> 00:24:49.567
Okay.

00:24:49.567 --> 00:24:54.832
Next question is how should one approach training.

00:24:54.832 --> 00:25:04.541
Whenever they sign up for a training class, what should they expect or how should they prepare for attending that training?

00:25:09.229 --> 00:25:10.011
Is that for me again?

00:25:10.644 --> 00:25:21.393
Yeah, yeah, we'll, we'll, we'll start it Whenever I ask them, I'll just open them up to you and then, if Crystal has something, we'll interject after you do your your spiel okay, so.

00:25:21.532 --> 00:25:31.234
So the question was would you rather take many courses quickly or um, see, it was, uh, how should one approach their training?

00:25:31.295 --> 00:25:40.597
should they uh, um, you know, take as many courses as they could, or should they build on their skills first, like quality over quantity?

00:25:40.597 --> 00:25:45.936
What's your thought on the training speed, I guess?

00:25:47.005 --> 00:25:52.657
Well, the training speed depends on the individual and where they're at.

00:25:52.657 --> 00:26:01.036
So sometimes you do have to start out at the beginning and maybe you're already kind of well-versed, so maybe you might go through the beginning to get to the steps, to the next step.

00:26:01.036 --> 00:26:03.308
So that's understandable.

00:26:03.308 --> 00:26:24.039
But tech but but we really want people to get them skills and you know, get them, uh, where they need to be before we keep moving on right, like like learn the skill, get the skill at you know, get it, proficient at it, and then move on and keep and then continue to take another or the next course.

00:26:24.825 --> 00:26:38.515
But, I would say that if you're taking courses quickly, you're going to be exposed to a wide variety of topics and you get to explore the opportunity for different areas of interest and find out what you know would be best for you, and that's so.

00:26:38.515 --> 00:26:43.788
That's the one thing about taking them quickly to find out what area you want to really take that deep dive in.

00:26:43.788 --> 00:26:49.157
And so maybe you have like a deadline, like there's a.

00:26:49.157 --> 00:26:54.336
There's a person that reached out to me this morning and said my daughter's leaving April 11th.

00:26:54.336 --> 00:27:00.778
She's going to be a traveling nurse and she's going to be heading to Seattle and I'm nervous and I want to get her ready.

00:27:00.778 --> 00:27:13.346
So for us, you know, I'm going to be doing something a little bit more quicker for her, and you know, but it'd be easier because it's just a one on one, right, so that that just makes sense.

00:27:13.346 --> 00:27:14.646
Right, we've got a deadline.

00:27:14.646 --> 00:27:24.611
But if there's no deadline and we're just learning the skills, it's important to really learn the skill, practice it, you know, practice, practice, practice before we move on.

00:27:25.171 --> 00:27:27.792
Yeah, yeah I do believe that.

00:27:27.833 --> 00:27:29.814
Yeah, quality over quantity, for sure.

00:27:30.253 --> 00:27:35.496
Yeah, and again it goes back to the humans, human nature.

00:27:35.496 --> 00:27:39.758
Some people learn and retain that skill right from the very get-go.

00:27:39.758 --> 00:27:49.221
I've had students that you know teach them and they're already getting two-inch groupings and stuff from the get-go.

00:27:49.221 --> 00:28:18.493
And then I've had others that are having some problems and you know it's like, okay, well, let me work with you a little bit after the class or in another one-on-one setting to kind of help them, and usually it's just something small but it's, you know, and I thought, also doing that trying to encourage that one that's maybe struggling is, you know, you're not kind of pushing them to the side, saying no, you're not important.

00:28:18.493 --> 00:28:30.233
This one over here is doing good, so I'm going to gravitate to him because he's doing awesome and everything, or she's doing awesome, and I like to just try to be able to put everybody where they're.

00:28:30.233 --> 00:28:37.164
You know, they feel on the same level whether they're doing well or if they're struggling.

00:28:37.164 --> 00:28:38.307
They're doing well or if they're struggling.

00:28:39.670 --> 00:28:44.179
And that would be a good question for their instructor is what do you believe my next step should be?

00:28:44.179 --> 00:28:50.498
Should I still am I ready for the next step, or should I concentrate on what I've just learned?

00:28:50.498 --> 00:28:55.328
And so that could be another good way of finding out what the next step is.

00:28:55.328 --> 00:28:55.769
And am I ready?

00:28:55.769 --> 00:28:56.769
Okay, what were you going to say, Crystal?

00:28:56.789 --> 00:28:59.853
No, I forgot what I was going to say, but I had something else to add of finding out what the next step is and am.

00:29:00.073 --> 00:29:00.393
I ready.

00:29:00.393 --> 00:29:01.314
Okay, what were you going to say, crystal?

00:29:01.314 --> 00:29:03.175
No, I forgot what I was going to say, but I have something else to add.

00:29:03.175 --> 00:29:09.362
But what I do is after the class you pretty much analyze your student, you know where they're at and then you can recommend okay.

00:29:09.362 --> 00:29:20.990
So this is what you did today and we go over it, we have like a debriefing and then I'll suggest what their next steps are, because sometimes they have no idea and they'll sit there like a deer in headlights like, uh, now what?

00:29:20.990 --> 00:29:27.635
So if you guide them along and you come up with a little plan, it makes that transition transition a little bit easier for them.

00:29:27.635 --> 00:29:31.013
I mean, that's just one that's a great.

00:29:31.074 --> 00:29:31.576
That's a great.

00:29:31.576 --> 00:29:33.461
Uh, that's, that is great.

00:29:33.500 --> 00:29:38.434
Crystal, I agree with you 100 yeah yeah, I do follow up emails and I'll you know.

00:29:38.434 --> 00:29:44.041
I'll go over what we did that day and the areas that we need to work on, but I don't make it so.

00:29:44.041 --> 00:29:47.031
It's like a threatening thing Like you better do this and you did this all wrong.

00:29:47.031 --> 00:29:51.566
You know I make it fun and then they're very receptive.

00:29:52.385 --> 00:29:52.586
Well.

00:29:52.586 --> 00:29:56.990
I love the fact that you take the time to address that person individually.

00:29:56.990 --> 00:29:58.631
Is that not a group email?

00:29:58.671 --> 00:30:02.755
That's an individual email, everything that I do with my students is always one-on-one.

00:30:02.755 --> 00:30:10.221
I always address them one-on-one and if we're in a group, especially with females, we always encourage each other.

00:30:10.221 --> 00:30:12.182
We're not like, oh, you're doing really bad, oh, you suck.

00:30:12.182 --> 00:30:17.732
No, the other women will get in and say, listen, you're doing a great job and you know I was struggling with this.

00:30:17.732 --> 00:30:23.769
So it makes it easier in the group because I noticed, like I grew up the one student that didn't understand anything, I was always one raising my hand.

00:30:23.830 --> 00:30:24.792
I don't get it, you know.

00:30:24.792 --> 00:30:29.519
So I know what it's like to be that student that doesn't pick up things a lot quicker than the others.

00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:33.125
So maybe that's why it's easier for me to work with students like that.

00:30:33.125 --> 00:31:04.038
But I just find that with the women that I work with, they're really helpful to one another, they encourage each other and they're, you know, rooting for one another, and it does make it a lot easier for those students that are having a little bit more difficult of a time picking up whatever it is we're training for Going back to what we were talking about vetting is whenever my class is over, I send an individual email out to the students.

00:31:05.137 --> 00:31:07.778
Usually I'll give them an encouraging word.

00:31:07.778 --> 00:31:13.301
Of course I'm also asking them if they thought my training was relevant for them to leave a review and everything.

00:31:13.301 --> 00:31:16.323
But then I also take class pictures.

00:31:16.323 --> 00:31:31.970
I take a picture of them with their target that they shot and then I take a group picture and I'll send that to them individually so that they've got something that they've got pride to.

00:31:31.970 --> 00:32:09.094
But then I also, after that individual email, I send out a monthly newsletter where I talk about a topic, typically that's relevant in either the gun industry upcoming laws, maybe it's a new course that we're rolling out with our business and then I'll do a training schedule and then I'll do two dry fire drills that I give them, and either I'll attach a target that they use, whether it's the Mozambique or the uh two, six, six, six, two drill, whatever it is, I attach that where they can print it out so that they've got something to take to the range or wherever they're shooting at.

00:32:09.526 --> 00:32:22.137
And then, no, I just encourage them to continue on with their training with those drills and, uh, I've had a lot of good response from people hey, I appreciate these drills because they, you know, they're training with those drills.

00:32:22.137 --> 00:32:25.903
And I've had a lot of good response from people hey, I appreciate these drills because they, you know, they're helping me.

00:32:25.903 --> 00:32:28.815
I wouldn't wouldn't have known where to go to find these drills and everything.

00:32:28.815 --> 00:32:37.069
And then I use the dry fire, I mean the uh, steve Burnett, uh, handgun drills book, uh, to do a lot of these and, uh, that's just something that I've found.

00:32:37.109 --> 00:32:39.056
That is a lot of students like.

00:32:39.056 --> 00:32:44.715
They like that continued follow-up with the interaction to help them progress.

00:32:44.715 --> 00:32:49.211
And it verifies me as an instructor, which is something that I think you know.

00:32:49.211 --> 00:32:56.294
Asking your instructor okay, after I take class, do you reach out to your students or what would you?

00:32:56.294 --> 00:32:57.897
How would you communicate with me?

00:32:57.897 --> 00:33:12.898
Some instructors may not have a newsletter or math email that they go out to their students, so that's something else that you I think that you could dive into to kind of better instructor for your personal needs.

00:33:13.704 --> 00:33:15.625
Yeah, I agree with that, Brian.

00:33:15.625 --> 00:33:22.691
I've always had a lot of issues with my emails being blocked, so I have a private Facebook group for all my students.

00:33:22.691 --> 00:33:24.132
They can come aboard and watch.

00:33:24.132 --> 00:33:47.768
So, like every month, I'll do live fire training, so we'll do meet at the gun show and we'll go and you know, they'll see the different firearms, the different holsters and it's just like just a fun day and they all love that.

00:33:47.768 --> 00:33:54.247
So if you're just going to the range and practicing their live fire without anything else, they're really missing out on so many more things that you have to offer.

00:33:54.247 --> 00:33:57.172
And not only that, but it builds relationships with the student.

00:33:57.172 --> 00:34:01.380
They want to keep coming back for more and they want to bring their friends and family on board.

00:34:01.380 --> 00:34:06.165
I have students that come from Trinidad, I've had students that come from New York and I'm in South Florida.

00:34:06.165 --> 00:34:10.396
So if you do a great job and you offer this, people are going to come.

00:34:10.396 --> 00:34:17.914
So I think that's really important for us as instructors to encourage them to do additional training with us, not just at the range.

00:34:19.836 --> 00:34:21.340
Yep, I fully agree.

00:34:21.340 --> 00:34:41.969
Yeah, I have a Facebook group too that I'll sometimes put out questions like drill of the day or you know, just something small, just kind of get them thinking Maybe it's a situation.

00:34:41.969 --> 00:34:44.914
I'll throw out a situation, what would you do?

00:34:45.795 --> 00:34:46.637
Things like that.

00:34:46.637 --> 00:34:47.719
I do that too.

00:34:47.719 --> 00:34:50.795
I do the scenarios, what we do, and I'll give them homework.

00:34:50.795 --> 00:34:56.577
You know, okay, when you're out tomorrow, notice, give me three things that you noticed, you know somebody was doing, or things like that.

00:34:56.577 --> 00:34:59.271
But it really does make a difference when you do these.

00:35:01.817 --> 00:35:02.117
Okay.

00:35:02.606 --> 00:35:04.211
I love those ideas, guys, thanks.

00:35:05.726 --> 00:35:08.956
Feel free to take them, amy, incorporate them.

00:35:10.166 --> 00:35:10.768
Take a note.

00:35:10.768 --> 00:35:11.170
That's great.

00:35:12.626 --> 00:35:14.893
Amy, I have a idea for you too, if you ever want to do it.

00:35:14.893 --> 00:35:19.170
I do fun bingo and trivia night with my students, so I'll have a safety trivia night.

00:35:19.170 --> 00:35:23.175
I'll have like concealed carry bingo night and I do things like that and they love it.

00:35:23.626 --> 00:35:25.398
They'll bring their friends, oh, I would love that too.

00:35:26.144 --> 00:35:27.268
You should see my bingo cards.

00:35:27.268 --> 00:35:29.275
They're actually really cute, so I do different ones.

00:35:29.275 --> 00:35:45.110
It costs a little bit of money to do it, but learning fun, so I do interactive learning rather than just sit there and lecture somebody.

00:35:45.130 --> 00:35:50.425
We do suicide awareness month, we do human trafficking, so all these things that make it a lot of fun and the women love it, because I do women's only classes, okay, so it's Wow, that's great.

00:35:50.425 --> 00:35:52.088
I'm definitely going to give you a call.

00:35:52.650 --> 00:35:52.992
Yeah.

00:35:54.940 --> 00:36:03.835
Okay, so our next to final question, but in the civilian concealed carry how important are non-studying courses in your development?

00:36:03.835 --> 00:36:11.393
And we briefly touched on this already, but anything else you want to add to that or dive into it a little bit deeper?

00:36:14.260 --> 00:36:15.384
want to add to that or dive into it a little bit deeper?

00:36:15.384 --> 00:36:16.807
Yeah well, the ultimate goal is to avoid using it to begin with.

00:36:16.807 --> 00:36:18.875
So that's why I've made a couple of different programs that I have.

00:36:18.875 --> 00:36:20.726
I have the Aware and Prepared program.

00:36:20.726 --> 00:36:26.425
It's a situational awareness for women, and so that does not involve firearms at all, because, guess what?

00:36:26.425 --> 00:36:32.632
There's a lot of people around that aren't interested, female or male, in carrying a firearm, firearm.

00:36:32.632 --> 00:36:47.213
So let's start having the conversation of how to avoid it to begin with, and let's talk about how to recognize threats or, um, you know, threat assessment and identifying different things that people could just pick up on.

00:36:47.213 --> 00:36:47.980
That, doesn't you?

00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:49.322
know, going with your gut feeling.

00:36:49.322 --> 00:36:59.900
Um, one of the in that aware and prepared uh class, the main focus that we well, the start of the program, we really talk about the gifts of fear by gavin de becker.

00:36:59.900 --> 00:37:04.588
And I heard you, crystal I, I know that you're probably excited.

00:37:04.588 --> 00:37:11.215
You love that book too, huh, but yeah, so it's just kind of a you know, it's just really just.

00:37:11.215 --> 00:37:16.411
You know, it's stuff that people I'm not, I might not even be teaching them anything new, but they're just like you know what.

00:37:16.411 --> 00:37:22.931
I just don't think about it and I said, well, that's what I'm here to do is just to remind you that we can avoid it to begin with.

00:37:22.931 --> 00:37:25.961
So that's why I came up with that program.

00:37:26.161 --> 00:37:34.467
I came up with another non-shooting course, which was the real estate safety Awareness Program that USCCA shortly developed one as well.

00:37:34.467 --> 00:37:59.405
So I've been teaching realtors for a while and I found that in all of the real estate agencies that I've went to, like probably 2% have taken a firearms class, because it's just, I don't know if it's the demographics or the type of people, I don't know what it is, but I do know that they're interested in being more safe.

00:37:59.405 --> 00:38:00.590
They just might not be interested in the firearm.

00:38:00.590 --> 00:38:09.400
So a lot of I've created courses around the firearm and not including that to where they feel comfortable coming and learning about some non-lethal options or just being more situationally aware.

00:38:10.121 --> 00:38:11.342
Okay, all right.

00:38:11.342 --> 00:38:14.264
Yeah, that's one of the big things that I push.

00:38:14.264 --> 00:38:26.873
Our primary, being concealed carriers, is the firearm, but then we've also got to be prepared for the legal, the psychological, the first aid and situational awareness.

00:38:26.873 --> 00:38:32.259
Everything is a huge cloud and firearms is just a small portion of it.

00:38:32.398 --> 00:38:33.739
Huge cloud and firearms is just a small portion of it.

00:38:33.739 --> 00:38:36.804
So, right, right, Absolutely there's.

00:38:36.804 --> 00:39:12.666
There's so many other things too, Like I do stop the bleed, you know I do stop the bleed in the community as well, and so we can all be our own first responders and and whether that's, you know, defending ourself or saving it, saving someone or you know, so there's a lot of just really great options for non-shooting courses to really just start people thinking in that way and eventually, if I'm good enough, I can kind of sway them over to my side, but it's all good if not, and I'm going to prepare them for whatever they're prepared, whatever they want to be prepared for.

00:39:13.061 --> 00:39:14.788
Right, okay, all right.

00:39:15.039 --> 00:39:16.164
Whatever they're ready for.

00:39:16.987 --> 00:39:17.266
Oh yeah.

00:39:17.628 --> 00:39:18.251
Go ahead, Crystal.

00:39:19.001 --> 00:39:33.914
No, I think a lot of times, for the students that don't think they're ever going to need a firearm, once they get into a situation when things get really nasty that's usually when you get that call listen, you know, somebody just tried to break into my house or somebody tried to get into my vehicle I think I need to have a firearm.

00:39:33.914 --> 00:39:37.951
And that's where I've got a lot that they never would carry a firearm.

00:39:37.951 --> 00:39:41.019
Oh, I don't, I don't think I could ever shoot anybody, I you know.

00:39:41.019 --> 00:39:51.847
But then something bad happens and now that whole you know thought process shifts and now they're you know, they feel that they can use to protect themselves.

00:39:59.219 --> 00:40:01.125
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree, yeah, that's, that's great.

00:40:01.125 --> 00:40:09.012
Uh, I think we, as all three of us being instructors, you know it seems like we we kind of have that same idea, but no, it's good.

00:40:09.012 --> 00:40:39.896
I like the podcast because I've had some guests on that have made me think okay, maybe I need to change something or add something to what I'm doing, or maybe I'm doing overboard on one area where we can kind of have conversations that, you know, help us ourselves be more professional and evolve our training to our students and everything.

00:40:41.141 --> 00:40:57.371
So yeah, when I was an officer or, you know, a trainer for law enforcement, one of the big things that I taught back then was even just your de-escalation techniques and you know your communication skills and how to avoid situations from getting worse.

00:40:57.371 --> 00:41:07.293
So I think that's another area that I need to work on, Adding to my program a little bit more talks about de-escalation, besides just talking about it.

00:41:07.293 --> 00:41:08.925
Oh, you should be able to de-escalate.

00:41:08.925 --> 00:41:09.909
Well, what does that involve?

00:41:09.909 --> 00:41:13.289
Because it's more to it than just simmer down.

00:41:13.289 --> 00:41:14.221
Relate well what does that involve?

00:41:14.240 --> 00:41:20.952
right, because it's more more to it than just just simmer down, more than the, the, the verbal judo that we we used to go through in in officer training.

00:41:20.952 --> 00:41:25.528
Uh, you know, okay, verbal judo, uh, are we gonna throw words at them?

00:41:25.528 --> 00:41:27.601
That's gonna knock them over, and stuff like that?

00:41:27.601 --> 00:42:02.186
No, people just don't know what de-escalation is, and that's the topic that I've been researching myself, and it's something I think is very important, because we got a lot of I won't say we, but there are a lot of people out there that have an ego, and that ego is something that real hard to hang down if you don't practice taming it down, and sometimes we talk ourselves into situations we could have avoided if we would have thought about a little bit or use some other methods.

00:42:02.186 --> 00:42:06.552
So, yeah, Exactly.

00:42:08.815 --> 00:42:15.371
All right, you got anything else, crystal, you want to add to today's podcast question?

00:42:16.280 --> 00:42:26.291
No, I think that was pretty much it, but I'm glad I was able to make it and talk to Amy and get in touch with her too, because there's some programs I think that she'd like that I do.

00:42:26.291 --> 00:42:28.373
That is worth a chat.

00:42:29.195 --> 00:42:29.556
Okay.

00:42:30.039 --> 00:42:35.849
It's definitely going to be worth a chat, and I love South Florida Just got back from South Florida.

00:42:35.849 --> 00:42:37.552
So I would definitely be looking you up.

00:42:40.184 --> 00:42:44.092
Yeah, I saw your cruise photos and the photo blast.

00:42:47.023 --> 00:42:52.434
Yeah, it was a milestone birthday, so I definitely wanted to make sure that I remembered it, and I've been working so hard.

00:42:52.914 --> 00:42:53.960
Yeah, it was so hard and I just sure that I remembered it.

00:42:53.960 --> 00:42:54.152
I've been working so hard.

00:42:54.152 --> 00:42:54.387
I've been working so hard.

00:42:54.387 --> 00:42:56.585
I just felt like I deserved it.

00:42:56.585 --> 00:42:58.764
Where are you going?

00:42:58.764 --> 00:43:05.322
I ended up, we drove to Fort Lauderdale and we got on the Celebrity Cruise.

00:43:05.322 --> 00:43:19.233
We went to San Juan, puerto Rico, and then we went to St Thomas, st Martin and and Dominican Republic and then back to Fort Lauderdale.

00:43:19.233 --> 00:43:20.304
We had four ports.

00:43:20.304 --> 00:43:22.827
It was just super nice, super nice.

00:43:23.360 --> 00:43:24.403
You were right by me.

00:43:24.403 --> 00:43:25.327
I'm right here.

00:43:25.367 --> 00:43:25.628
I know.

00:43:26.460 --> 00:43:27.606
You were right so close.

00:43:29.804 --> 00:43:31.088
I travel to Florida often.

00:43:31.088 --> 00:43:32.360
Crystal will talk offline.

00:43:32.360 --> 00:43:38.347
I travel there often because I love it, and that's like our next question is what do you do for fun?

00:43:38.347 --> 00:43:41.032
I'm sorry, brian, that's fine, that's fine.

00:43:41.032 --> 00:43:44.054
And that's what I do.

00:43:44.054 --> 00:43:54.893
I travel, I love to see the world and explore new places and look for maybe my retirement home one day, and I'd love to end up in Florida, for sure.

00:43:55.434 --> 00:43:58.268
Yeah, all right.

00:43:58.268 --> 00:44:05.099
Well, since you already answered that, what do you like to do to unwind and compress, which was fine?

00:44:05.099 --> 00:44:08.724
I didn't even have to do any work, it just fell in place.

00:44:08.724 --> 00:44:09.507
I love it.

00:44:10.860 --> 00:44:15.836
So I thank you for your time today, amy, and thank you for your time today, amy, and thank you for you know this podcast.

00:44:15.836 --> 00:44:19.690
It's something that I felt, uh, whenever I started the podcast.

00:44:19.690 --> 00:44:41.032
I originally was just gonna focus it to students that I've trained, just as a kind of, uh, online education, uh, maybe displaying a few products or things like that and then talking with someone that we both know mutually uh, rob Beckman uh, and then being on heaven had been on his podcast.

00:44:41.032 --> 00:45:14.931
The podcast bug interested me and, uh, I got got nibbled on it and I started checking it out and, uh, like I said, I wanted to started this as just something for my students, but then, all of a sudden, it's like, hmm, I'm enjoying this and the students that I have had that have come on are enjoying it, and the guests I'm blessed with the contact that I've made and been introduced to, so it's been a win-win situation for me.

00:45:15.943 --> 00:45:21.887
I tell you what I've been paying attention and you've had some amazing people on your show, so I feel very grateful to even be asked.

00:45:21.887 --> 00:45:24.369
But great job, Brian, I'm really proud of you.

00:45:24.791 --> 00:45:25.936
Well, thank you, thank you.

00:45:26.539 --> 00:45:26.760
All right.

00:45:28.244 --> 00:45:50.297
So I know on the online podcast page there'll be a link to people that if they want to get some more information, but maybe they don't go to the podcast page or know they're listening and want to find out some more information or want to get in touch with you, how can people get in touch with you for questions or maybe training with you that may be listening in Michigan?

00:45:50.317 --> 00:45:52.641
Absolutely Well again.

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I mean on Facebook.

00:45:53.423 --> 00:45:58.134
You can find me under Amy Lucas or steel in the letter in stilettos.

00:45:58.134 --> 00:46:05.610
Instagram is steel in stilettos and but if you want to just go on my website, you can contact me on there.

00:46:05.610 --> 00:46:09.751
I've got a contact me button and that's steel and stilettos trainingcom.

00:46:10.860 --> 00:46:13.007
Okay, Sounds good.

00:46:13.007 --> 00:46:13.949
I hope people.

00:46:13.949 --> 00:46:17.110
I know some people that are in Ohio.

00:46:17.110 --> 00:46:33.007
I've lived in central Ohio for eight years and so I've got some family and friends up that area and actually some people up in the Detroit area that I'm friends with that I put a bug in their ear.

00:46:33.007 --> 00:46:40.809
Hey, I know an instructor if you're looking for training and stuff, so maybe you'll get some input there.

00:46:40.809 --> 00:46:47.052
But thank you for your time and we hope you enjoy the rest of your day, Amy.

00:46:48.181 --> 00:46:49.083
Thank you so much.

00:46:49.706 --> 00:46:51.465
Thank you, Crystal Hope you enjoy yours.

00:46:52.420 --> 00:46:53.041
Thank you so much.

00:46:53.041 --> 00:46:58.329
Thank you, Crystal Hope you enjoy yours, Thank you.

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