Aug. 19, 2024
Enhancing Personal Safety: Matt Mallory on Creative Self-Defense Solutions and Navigating the Use of Force Continuum
Discover the incredible versatility of everyday objects for personal protection with Matt Mallory from PS&Ed. How can a modified magic marker become a tool for self-defense? Matt shares his extensive background in firearms training and law enforcement, guiding us through a range of less lethal options that can be employed effectively in various scenarios. You'll learn why it's crucial to think creatively and resourcefully when it comes to self-defense, and how practical tools like tactical pens and flashlights can become lifesavers in unexpected situations.
Imagine facing a violent encounter—what strategies would you use to protect yourself? In our discussion, we explore practical self-defense techniques, the importance of verbal commands, and physical tactics to delay or deter an attacker. Matt emphasizes the necessity of self-defense training and the appropriate use of force, along with the legal implications of drawing a weapon. We also dive into the psychological and physical readiness required to handle confrontations effectively, ensuring you're prepared to protect yourself and your loved ones.
The use of force continuum can be a complex and fluid concept. We break it down, discussing the importance of situational awareness and how quickly circumstances can change, requiring adaptation and justification of actions. Matt shares insights into avoiding excessive force and the need to retreat if possible. Additionally, we highlight the benefits of advanced training, such as airsoft and UTM scenarios, and the importance of consulting legal experts to ensure your actions align with local laws. This episode is a comprehensive guide for anyone looking to enhance their personal safety through less lethal means.
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00:05 - Less Lethal Options for Protection
09:50 - Self-Defense Techniques and Non-Lethal Options
20:44 - Navigating Use of Force Continuum
27:29 - Use of Force Continuum and Decision-Making
39:19 - Multi-Tool Options for Self-Defense
51:37 - Considerations for Less Lethal Options
01:00:30 - Training Opportunities for Use of Force
01:08:15 - Expert Advice on Self-Defense Safety
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Hi, welcome to the Armed Guardian Podcast, Season 2, Episode 18.
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Today we'll be speaking with Matt Mallory from PS and Ed about less lethal options for the concealed carrier or for somebody that maybe isn't an armed carrier but still wants some sort of protection for their self or their family.
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So listen in today as we talk with Matt and discuss the less lethal options available for everybody out there.
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Got Matt Mallory.
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He's coming with us today to talk about less lethal.
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It's a topic that not everybody thinks about or it's in their back of their mind, but they don't really focus too much on it, kind of like first aid and a few other things that we talked about on the podcast here.
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But Matt's going to talk to us about less lethal and why we should consider carrying it and what are our options.
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So, Matt, how are you?
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doing today.
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I'm good, I'm really good actually.
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I'm inside in the AC, sweltering hot outside, so I'm doing great.
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Thanks for bringing me off the farm.
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Yeah, I envy you.
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I'm sure it's a little bit cooler than what it is down here in South Georgia.
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Probably probably, absolutely yeah.
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So those that don't know, we've had Matt on before, back on Season 2, episode 1, and we talked a little bit about prepping for natural disasters and things like that.
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So if you haven't heard that episode, go back and check that one out with Matt.
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Matt's been a friend and a real good mentor guest, so I'm interested to see what he talks about today, about the less lethal and Matt.
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For those that don't know who Matt Mallory is, give us a intro.
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Oh goodness, I hate talking about myself like that Army vet from the 90s.
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I've been around guns since I was a young kid.
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Got my first BB gun under the Christmas tree when I was who knows how old.
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So I've been doing slingshots and knives and guns and frogging was my first date with my wife back in the early 90s.
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So yeah, I grew up around guns in the village of Puga upstate New York and went into the military.
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Didn't do anything spectacular, didn't see war.
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I got out of the military surprisingly, went into restaurant management, got out of restaurant management and started a tech company back up here in New York back in the mid 90s and ran the tech company and then started teaching firearms just to friends and family and got certified in NRA and 100 instructor, probably about 15, close to maybe 20 years ago and that just transpired into me constantly adding on certifications because people are asking, hey, can you teach this course?
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Hey, how do I do this?
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And if it was something that I wasn't hugely versed in, I would definitely go seek out other training and even even to this day we still do.
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And we're going to be down in Pennsylvania.
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Clint and I are hosting Tom Givens for his three-day course coming up in August, the end of August.
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So yeah, it's been a long journey.
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I'm in law enforcement currently.
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I'm chief of a small town nothing spectacular as well as a director of a small peace officer academy annually, and do also training for a lot of law enforcement, both peace and police officers, across New York State and, in the process, now starting in road patrol doing a part-time job with a village that needs my help.
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So yeah, other than that, that's the firearms self-defense background aspect of it and I do a bunch of other things.
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We've got rentals and we've got a small hobby farm.
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I'm a beekeeper, We've got chickens and a garden and a farm stand and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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And some of the prepping stuff we talked about in, uh, the season two, episode one, which, uh, I enjoyed and looking forward to maybe coming back on and doing some more on a little bit deeper level of prepping and stuff, Um, absolutely so, all right.
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Well, again, we're talking about less lethal today.
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What is less lethal?
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I like to say less lethal is anything I mean you could you know you could get somebody with a.
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You, I like to say less lethal is anything I mean you could you know you could hit somebody with a you know drink container, and as long as you don't keep hitting them with it and causing them to perish, you know that that definitely is less lethal.
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In a sense, a regular pen or even a tactical pen, that's not a regular pen or a tactical pen.
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You have a tactical, could you?
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Could you reach in and grab a I don't know a flashlight?
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Is a flashlight less lethal?
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Right, you strobe somebody with it?
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Could that get them to stumble and move back and buy you some time to pull out another weapon?
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Did they get too close?
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Could you use it as a coup de tonne and hit them a few times with it?
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Yeah, If you continue hitting with it in ideal spots, that could obviously be moved into a lethal category, same with a tactical pen.
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You know, know something as well.
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You know what does this look like?
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Magic marker, magic marker, but it's actually stabby, stabby.
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So now, could that?
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Could that be a lethal tool?
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Absolutely, but could this be enough to get them back?
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Could they die from this possibly, but I consider this a less lethal tool.
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So it's a magic marker, it looks like it but it's actually right.
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And then two so it's actually a magic marker, but truly a pointed object inside there, nice solid object.
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So I mean, anything can be a less lethal, non-lethal tool If you put your mind to it.
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I like to say MacGyver it.
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You got to kind of MacGyver your situation.
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Think of what's at hand.
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You go to a restaurant, you sit down at the table a pepper shaker you know it could be one a spoon, a knife, a butter knife even any of those things could be useful.
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The chair you're sitting in.
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If you're sitting in a fairly fairly lightweight chair where you don't guy at bay something to throw the OODA loop right Colonel Boyd's OODA loop, some people call it, it's actually OODA Throw that person back and have them, you know, have a delay in their decision-making process and have them recalculate what's going on.
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And that buys you time and time.
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You know time plus distance equals safety.
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So if you got time, you got distance, you got safety, you got all those things in different, different, uh, fashions that can be beneficial.
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Something I was teaching the pepper spray instructor course in Virginia.
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She's probably about three years ago now and, uh, it was Don Dole posting me down there.
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And for years, about 10 years I've been talking about what would you do if you didn't have a gun.
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So it was about 10, 11, 10 years I've been talking about what would you do if you didn't have a gun, so it was about 10, 11 years ago.
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A student of mine had an issue at a 7-Eleven and he first thing he says, well, if I pull my gun out, you know and he's going through this like rationalize with me what he was thinking at the time and it basically came back to that he was trying to use the wrong tool for the job.
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He three different times he was thinking of how he can introduce a gun and the gun wasn't justified and it would have gotten him into trouble.
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So I said what would you have done if you didn't have?
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a gun, he goes but I had a gun.
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And I'm like, yeah, but you're trying to fit a square peg into a round hole, it's the wrong tool for the job, like.
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It's like walking around with a hammer only expecting to run into nails.
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You run into the screw, you're screwed you for the job.
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And he's like, well, what could I do?
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And for years I've been using that in classes and telling people, well, this and that and this and that, and that's really about 10 or 11 years ago when I really started getting heavy into the less lethal stuff, realizing that that situation I taught him about guns, but I didn't go into the mindset as much.
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I didn't go into the other tools that he had at his disposal, that he could be carrying on him, like the flashlight and stuff, right, pepper spray, and it really made me feel like I was doing my students an injustice by not giving them more tools at their disposal.
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Because if we look at statistics, 80% of the time you're not justified in using a gun.
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It's a less lethal option, but 20% of the time you are.
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And then I'll poll students in class how many times have you been in a violent encounter where you have been legally justified in using a gun?
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And most of the time.
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It's 100% of the students say never.
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Every once in a while I'll get one, maybe two people in a class to say they probably had one, maybe two instances in their entire life where they would have been justified in using a gun, and those one or two situations are always relegated back to.
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They were either in stupid places or doing stupid things, sometimes both.
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But with that fast forward eight, nine years.
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After me coming up with that at Dawn's class I said you know, I got to come up with something else because I keep getting asked well, what would I do if I didn't have a gun?
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And that's where I came up with the MVP of tools.
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I coined this phrase in her class that I taught down there that your mind, your voice and physical you have a mind, macgyver come up with creative ways to get out of a situation so that it doesn't force you to use the gun.
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And I'm not saying if you're justified in using the gun.
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Time is of the essence use the gun right.
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The gun's the last tool at your resort, your resource.
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But if you can do something else, why wouldn't you, why wouldn't you make a cognitive effort to try to, you know, flash the flashlight in their eyes, to buy you time to maybe then pull the gun right?
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Because if you pull the gun while they're looking straight at you.
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That might be their litmus test, that might be their light switch, their go to charge you and take the gun you know, or whatever, so other tools at your disposal right, use your mind to come up with creative ways to use other things right, just like that.
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Like here's one for you somebody put you in a headlock.
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Well, if I see somebody walking towards me and I'm like, well, you can't just shoot somebody because they're walking towards you, right, right, so they go and then they grab a hold of you and you're like well, crap, I get my gun out.
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This person's pretty strong if I get my gun out, this person is pretty strong.
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If I get my gun out, they might take the gun.
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That might not be the best effort.
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Okay, well, what if they throw me in a headlock and then I just burn their arm?
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How long are they going to hold on for?
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Is that going to delay?
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Is that going to throw them off me for a temporary time?
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Absolutely, most people are going to be like ah, what the heck was that?
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It lay in their decision-making process?
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Buy you enough time to maybe pull another weapon or another tool.
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That's justified under that situation.
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So the voice you got to verbalize.
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You can't be like please don't, no, please don't stab me.
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No, please stop stabbing me.
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No, please don't take my gun.
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No, no, please don't shoot me.
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When are you going to like grab your cojones and get back and make them realize they picked the wrong person?
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The mama bear's got to come out.
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You got to use that voice and you got to use it correctly.
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And in that we talked about the ATM ask, tell, make you know.
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You ask them at a distance, international, sign for stop, tell them, raise your voice, let them know that you're serious.
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If they move past that barrier that you've put in place and then make, is that that you know whatever tools justified under that situation, and then the physical, which is part of that right Physical, could be less lethal if you know how to handle yourself.
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Take classes, martial arts, defensive tactics, wrestling, kickboxing, whatever I mean.
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Get some familiarity where you know.
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I ask my students this who here has never been punched in the face before?
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And some of the students are like worried that I'm going to punch them in the face.
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I'm not going to do that, but they'll kind of slowly put their hand up.
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I'm like it's fine, it's understandable, and I'm not telling you to go get punched in the face, just like I'm not going to tell you to go get shot.
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So you know how it feels to be shot, right.
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But you got to have some understanding.
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The first time you get punched in the face.
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That doesn't feel good, does it?
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Oh, you definitely don't like getting punched in the face either, do you?
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Your face looks like it's been punched a lot, right?
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People?
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Just you don't know what.
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You don't know, and if you're not custom to that, somebody puts their hands on you and throws you to the ground.
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Your first thought isn't I need to fight off this bad guy.
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Your first thought is oh, that hurt.
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What the hell just happened?
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I'm not familiar with this pain.
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I don't know what just transpired.
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That's a delay in your decision-making process.
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That could be deadly.
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Yeah, it's disrupting the train of thought, the thought process of your attacker, because now they're having to recalculate what's going on and how they can overcome that, and that gives you the opportunity to escape or fight.
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And, um, it's like with the voice, uh, I use this, uh, you and I are of the um age, for we remember the police, academy movies, officer hooks, no, stop, stop.
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And then it gives the, gives the attitude, and and that's that's what I, especially with my ladies classes.
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I use that analogy because it's perfect and a lot of people.
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Just, you know, my biggest thing whenever I put in a non-lethal or less lethal classes is well, I've got a gun.
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No, everybody falls back Like you.
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Classes is well, I've got a gun, everybody falls back, like you said, to that gun.
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I've got a gun, I don't need to have anything else.
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All the time.
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Law enforcement officers, security guards, everybody.
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It's this false sense of security that I've got a gun, chances are you're never going to use the gun, which is good.
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But if you need to use it, better have a need.
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That need to not have it.
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It was one, one is not.
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I love those two sayings, but what are you going to do if you can't pull the gun out?
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And here's another one.
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I'll say to people I'll say you know, if you pull it out too early, that could be attempted murder, it could be menacing, it could be a misdemeanor or felony charge, depending on your jurisdiction.
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You pull it out too late, you're dead.
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Yeah, so it's a very fine line and very minimal chance.
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Somebody's going to need the gun and maybe even be able to use the gun, even if they were justified in using it because you pull it out, a bad guy's on you punching you.
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Well, listen, if you can't physically stop that person from punching you, you're sure as heck ain't gonna stop them from taking the gun out of your hands.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So once again, false sense of security.
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People think I've got a gun, okay, that's good.
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Have a gun, Learn how to use it, know how to use it.
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But there's so many more things.
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It's like saying I got a key to a car Doesn't mean you know how to drive.
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You got the keys to the car, that's good.
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Well, I drive to work.
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Where's work?
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Oh, right over there, 50 feet away.
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So your practice is driving from your house to work.
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When do you drive?
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Oh, during the day.
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I don't like driving at night.
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Bad guys attack at night.
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I don't like driving in the rain.
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Bad guys like the rain.
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Whatever, it's not contextually appropriate and contextually trained.
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Yeah, it's like, okay, you've got the gun, great, and if you need to display it and use it, do you practice enough with it to put shop placements uh where they need to be at?
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Because I've kept last year year before I'd seen a video, uh from one of my police websites and I think it was in ohio where um officer was called to a guy in the roadway waving a knife around.
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He pulled up, confronted the guy.
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Guy started charging him, he unloaded his.
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I think he fired one magazine empty and several shots out of his second magazine.
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The guy just kept charging and his shots were going center mass and stuff, but the guy still had.
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He was under the influence of pcp, so that'll do it.
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He, no, he just didn't, didn't feel it, basically.
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And can you stop that threat?
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Do you know how to stop it?
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No, like we teach with the mozambique, or the failure to stop drill two to the chest, one to the head, or, like you do, to the groin area.
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Now do you know how and when to do those shots and stuff?
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And it's a lot more than just saying, hey, I've got the gun and yay me and that makes me think of two things.
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With the you know when the thing that happened in buffalo, new york, where the guy had the ballistics carrier on, I'm now teaching, I'm now telling my students if you are justified in shooting them here and you know you legally can do that, yeah, and you notice that that's compromised.
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They got some, they look tactical, they got something covering them right here, that that shows that they've got a ballistics vest on or a plate carrier, or it just looks tactical.
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Right.
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Then why waste your time shooting here?
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That could be your death sentence, like the security guard in the Buffalo Top shooting in Buffalo, new York.
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You're justified in shooting here.
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You're just as justified in shooting in the pelvic girdle or a face shot.
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So if you can take one of those two, that might be a better option than shooting here, wasting rounds, alerting them that they're being shot at by you, then turning and shooting you, which you don't have anything covering this area.
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So you know I always opt for if this is compromised.
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Go for the pelvic girdle next and then, if you have a good shot, face shot Face is the hardest shot to take.
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And then the composition of the brain and high brain, deep brain is, you know, is different.
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So people need that's more of an advanced thing.
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I like to tell people, as far as taking that shot, it worked in pennsylvania recently.
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That's okay.
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The uh, active, active threat there against the president, right, president trump.
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So, speaking of that too, and you talk about training, look at the one, uh, the one secret service agent that couldn't even reholster her gun.
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I mean mean training under stress.
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Now, she had impeccable finger discipline.
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I don't think I saw her finger on the trigger, which is great.
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But when we look at like how you're discombobulated you've never been in that, you never been she's clearly and nothing against her in the sense that if you haven't been there, you haven't been there.
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You know we all.
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Who knows how each person's going to handle it differently?
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I hope all the training I have kicks in at the right time and I do everything perfectly.
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Don't know if that's going to happen right, and in this case that's a great instance that all the training in the world she had.
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At least she kept her finger off the trigger when she didn't need it on the trigger, but she unholstered that gun.
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But then how many times has she holstered on holster?
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Maybe she wore a different pair of pants that day, or maybe the holstered shifted back on her and it wasn't where she normally thought it was going to be and all the practice she had didn't, you know, didn't pass muster, right, I mean, there's just so many.
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What ifs about that?
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And I always tell people too, I don't care how billy badass you think I, I don't care how billy badass you think tim kennedy is, anybody, we can all be B, you can be B.
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Bad guys don't play fair.
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There's no ref, there's no ring, there's no timer, there's no rule, there's no cage, no timer.
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Right, they're not going to play fair.
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So, hopefully, be nice to everybody, but have a plan to kill everybody in the room.
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Is that thought process, right, colonel Mattis?
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So other than that, it's like do the training be nice to people and hopefully you never have to use the training.
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But if you do, hopefully it works at the right time.
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It's contextually appropriate.
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